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		<title>By: Skellie</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2462822</link>
		<dc:creator>Skellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for catching that slip up, Darren. I re-read the posts so many times to make sure they&#039;re fine that it&#039;s a wonder that one got through...

@ Swade: Sorry about that. It was perceptive of you to pick it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for catching that slip up, Darren. I re-read the posts so many times to make sure they&#8217;re fine that it&#8217;s a wonder that one got through&#8230;</p>
<p>@ Swade: Sorry about that. It was perceptive of you to pick it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2431496</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks everyone for your feedback. I did add the hypebot link this afternoon. I think Skellie inadvertently missed it when writing the post up - innocent mistake (one I do all too regularly myself).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks everyone for your feedback. I did add the hypebot link this afternoon. I think Skellie inadvertently missed it when writing the post up &#8211; innocent mistake (one I do all too regularly myself).</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2431329</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I&#039;m not being a PITA intentionally, but I was thinking the same thing as Edwin as I was reading this.  Screenshots would have been of great assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I&#8217;m not being a PITA intentionally, but I was thinking the same thing as Edwin as I was reading this.  Screenshots would have been of great assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2431316</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skellie, thanks for the feedback.

I wasn&#039;t questioning your expertise, and I understand the communal nature of the exercise (i.e. how will a group of visitors find it) but for a fee paid service, I guess I&#039;d want a little more than that.  I think this ideas got a lotta legs, but it just isn&#039;t for me right now.  Bruce seems appreciative of the exercise and that&#039;s what&#039;s important here.

And with all due respect, there wasn&#039;t a link to Hypebot there when I wrote the comment.

I look forward to the next installment of the community project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skellie, thanks for the feedback.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t questioning your expertise, and I understand the communal nature of the exercise (i.e. how will a group of visitors find it) but for a fee paid service, I guess I&#8217;d want a little more than that.  I think this ideas got a lotta legs, but it just isn&#8217;t for me right now.  Bruce seems appreciative of the exercise and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s important here.</p>
<p>And with all due respect, there wasn&#8217;t a link to Hypebot there when I wrote the comment.</p>
<p>I look forward to the next installment of the community project.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Houghton / Hypebot.com</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2430734</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Houghton / Hypebot.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank-you Skellie and Darren and the entire ProBlogger community for this opportunity.  Please come back and visit Hypebot.com in the coming days and weeks as I follow many of your wonderful suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you Skellie and Darren and the entire ProBlogger community for this opportunity.  Please come back and visit Hypebot.com in the coming days and weeks as I follow many of your wonderful suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Skellie</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2429498</link>
		<dc:creator>Skellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Edwin: Thanks for the feedback :-). That&#039;s a good idea you&#039;ve got there. My only concern is that the posts take a long time to put together already, and that taking, formatting and publishing screenshots with everything would take the work required to another level. If I can make the time, I&#039;ll certainly think about it.

@ Jen: Congrats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Edwin: Thanks for the feedback :-). That&#8217;s a good idea you&#8217;ve got there. My only concern is that the posts take a long time to put together already, and that taking, formatting and publishing screenshots with everything would take the work required to another level. If I can make the time, I&#8217;ll certainly think about it.</p>
<p>@ Jen: Congrats!</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2429359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this community consulting project, and I&#039;m also excited that I won a CD! :) Thanks to Skellie and Darren for the opportunity to participate in this. I learned a lot and had fun doing it. Can&#039;t wait for the next one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this community consulting project, and I&#8217;m also excited that I won a CD! :) Thanks to Skellie and Darren for the opportunity to participate in this. I learned a lot and had fun doing it. Can&#8217;t wait for the next one!</p>
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		<title>By: Skellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one other point to add to my last comment: if you made writing a post of feedback a requirement, you&#039;d get fewer people taking part, meaning lower quality feedback for the blogger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one other point to add to my last comment: if you made writing a post of feedback a requirement, you&#8217;d get fewer people taking part, meaning lower quality feedback for the blogger.</p>
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		<title>By: Skellie</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2428430</link>
		<dc:creator>Skellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Swade: No problem -- I&#039;ve removed you from the queue.

(There is actually a link to Hypebot in the second sentence of the post.)

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re implying that the community should be experts in the area of blog critique (the point is that it&#039;s a good litmus test of how average visitors will perceive your site). My job is only to rank aspects of the blog mentioned by the community in order of most frequent to least frequent, and to add my own commentary.

As for my own expertise, I&#039;ve been designing blogs for four years, have completed (literally) hundreds of blog reviews and have grown Skelliewag to 2,100+ subscribers in just over four months, with a lot of my content dedicated to sharing insights on design, usability and simplicity. I&#039;ve done paid design consulting in the past and am currently paid to write about design, usability and simplicity (in addition to other topics) at a number of well-known blogs.

Whether that makes me an &#039;expert&#039; is up to you, but those are the qualifications I have :-).

As for the links idea being a better way to do things, it asks the ProBlogger readership to create content with little benefit to their target audience (for example, what if someone who blogs about knitting or cooking or productivity wanted to participate? Why would their readers want to read a design review?).

With such a long queue of people willing to take part with the existing format in place I don&#039;t really see why we would ask the ProBlogger readership to make that sacrifice.

Anyway, thank you for the feedback. I&#039;m glad you were able to decide community consulting wasn&#039;t for you without spending money on it and being dissatisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Swade: No problem &#8212; I&#8217;ve removed you from the queue.</p>
<p>(There is actually a link to Hypebot in the second sentence of the post.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re implying that the community should be experts in the area of blog critique (the point is that it&#8217;s a good litmus test of how average visitors will perceive your site). My job is only to rank aspects of the blog mentioned by the community in order of most frequent to least frequent, and to add my own commentary.</p>
<p>As for my own expertise, I&#8217;ve been designing blogs for four years, have completed (literally) hundreds of blog reviews and have grown Skelliewag to 2,100+ subscribers in just over four months, with a lot of my content dedicated to sharing insights on design, usability and simplicity. I&#8217;ve done paid design consulting in the past and am currently paid to write about design, usability and simplicity (in addition to other topics) at a number of well-known blogs.</p>
<p>Whether that makes me an &#8216;expert&#8217; is up to you, but those are the qualifications I have :-).</p>
<p>As for the links idea being a better way to do things, it asks the ProBlogger readership to create content with little benefit to their target audience (for example, what if someone who blogs about knitting or cooking or productivity wanted to participate? Why would their readers want to read a design review?).</p>
<p>With such a long queue of people willing to take part with the existing format in place I don&#8217;t really see why we would ask the ProBlogger readership to make that sacrifice.</p>
<p>Anyway, thank you for the feedback. I&#8217;m glad you were able to decide community consulting wasn&#8217;t for you without spending money on it and being dissatisfied.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skellie, great article! I have some feedback on the post itself that might be helpful. It would be great if in the future you could include screenshots when describing particular areas of the site that could use improvement or that you are describing. This would make the post valuable even after the blogger has incorporated the suggestions and made design changes to the site. I found myself opening up another window and reading the post with the blog side by side to follow along because I found the post so insightful. Keep up the great job, I love this idea of community consulting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skellie, great article! I have some feedback on the post itself that might be helpful. It would be great if in the future you could include screenshots when describing particular areas of the site that could use improvement or that you are describing. This would make the post valuable even after the blogger has incorporated the suggestions and made design changes to the site. I found myself opening up another window and reading the post with the blog side by side to follow along because I found the post so insightful. Keep up the great job, I love this idea of community consulting!</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2427597</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren/Skellie,

I sent in my email when you first advertised this community consulting program a few weeks ago, but I&#039;d like to remove myself from the queue, please.

There were two attractive ideas about this program: first, the advice that one could receive, and second, the incoming links from a highly ranked site like PB.

On the first point - I think paying bloggers would want some assurance that the advice is coming from experts in a field.  now whilst that&#039;s quite possibly the case here, there&#039;s little assurance given to the blogger that that&#039;s actually happening.  I fear that this series might start to read the same from start to finish from week to week for each blog analysed.

On the second point, there&#039;s not one link to the target blog in this post, which I find to be of some concern.  Prizewinners have more links than the paying blogger in this instance.

Could I suggest an alternative format?

Previous campaigns or community writing projects have involved people writing their piece and then leaving a comment here, which would turn into a link to their piece.  If the same happened for this project, then there&#039;s be a whole bunch of links to the target blogger, Skellie would have a list of sites to check out and could still write the summary post and hand out the prizes.

Just trying to think of ways to provide some value for the $250 your asking for this service.  But for the moment, please remove me from the queue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren/Skellie,</p>
<p>I sent in my email when you first advertised this community consulting program a few weeks ago, but I&#8217;d like to remove myself from the queue, please.</p>
<p>There were two attractive ideas about this program: first, the advice that one could receive, and second, the incoming links from a highly ranked site like PB.</p>
<p>On the first point &#8211; I think paying bloggers would want some assurance that the advice is coming from experts in a field.  now whilst that&#8217;s quite possibly the case here, there&#8217;s little assurance given to the blogger that that&#8217;s actually happening.  I fear that this series might start to read the same from start to finish from week to week for each blog analysed.</p>
<p>On the second point, there&#8217;s not one link to the target blog in this post, which I find to be of some concern.  Prizewinners have more links than the paying blogger in this instance.</p>
<p>Could I suggest an alternative format?</p>
<p>Previous campaigns or community writing projects have involved people writing their piece and then leaving a comment here, which would turn into a link to their piece.  If the same happened for this project, then there&#8217;s be a whole bunch of links to the target blogger, Skellie would have a list of sites to check out and could still write the summary post and hand out the prizes.</p>
<p>Just trying to think of ways to provide some value for the $250 your asking for this service.  But for the moment, please remove me from the queue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2427226</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much.  I&#039;m going to give that iPod to one of my young nieces - her family had some troubles this year, and I hope this will brighten up her Xmas a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much.  I&#8217;m going to give that iPod to one of my young nieces &#8211; her family had some troubles this year, and I hope this will brighten up her Xmas a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martine</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2426627</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jenni: Not usually, because they serve two different purposes. There may be many reasons to direct a reader to a contact page where getting all the &quot;about&quot; info hinders the easy contact process. Likewise, wanting to know more about someone doesn&#039;t mean you want to contact them. Better to keep them separate.

Oh... I won something! W00t! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jenni: Not usually, because they serve two different purposes. There may be many reasons to direct a reader to a contact page where getting all the &#8220;about&#8221; info hinders the easy contact process. Likewise, wanting to know more about someone doesn&#8217;t mean you want to contact them. Better to keep them separate.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230; I won something! W00t! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Sangesh</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2426624</link>
		<dc:creator>Sangesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion the whitespaces in a blog are important. It helps the eyes of the viewers. If the contents are jumbled up, then the viewer cannot focus on any particular part of the page. This then ends up on the visitor leaving the page.

By the way, Good luck to the prize winners.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion the whitespaces in a blog are important. It helps the eyes of the viewers. If the contents are jumbled up, then the viewer cannot focus on any particular part of the page. This then ends up on the visitor leaving the page.</p>
<p>By the way, Good luck to the prize winners.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2426532</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great feedback again. One concern:

I&#039;ve seen several suggestions saying that &quot;recent posts&quot; lists should be removed from the sidebar. While I agree that such lists should be short, I wonder how removing them could affect the experience of people who land on an individual post through a Google search or a referral. 

If someone lands on an individual post, they&#039;re not going to see any others on the page. If there&#039;s no &quot;recent posts&quot; list in the sidebar, I suspect they&#039;ll be less likely to explore the blog. 

I just checked my stats, and it looks like 10-15% of my human visitors click on something in &quot;recent posts.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great feedback again. One concern:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen several suggestions saying that &#8220;recent posts&#8221; lists should be removed from the sidebar. While I agree that such lists should be short, I wonder how removing them could affect the experience of people who land on an individual post through a Google search or a referral. </p>
<p>If someone lands on an individual post, they&#8217;re not going to see any others on the page. If there&#8217;s no &#8220;recent posts&#8221; list in the sidebar, I suspect they&#8217;ll be less likely to explore the blog. </p>
<p>I just checked my stats, and it looks like 10-15% of my human visitors click on something in &#8220;recent posts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Welcome to Nepal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welcome to Nepal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,

I think i miss this opportunity. Anyway, congratulations to the winner of the contest. Hope to read some good blogs from the winners.</description>
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<p>I think i miss this opportunity. Anyway, congratulations to the winner of the contest. Hope to read some good blogs from the winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Fashion By Jenni</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/12/16/hypebot-community-consulting-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-2426371</link>
		<dc:creator>Fashion By Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be more productive to combine the about page and the contact page one page instead of making them seperate? I agree that having these two pages are essentials, because it will help new readers become more intrested in the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be more productive to combine the about page and the contact page one page instead of making them seperate? I agree that having these two pages are essentials, because it will help new readers become more intrested in the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Famous Quotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Famous Quotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent feedback by the community. Congratulations to the winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent feedback by the community. Congratulations to the winners.</p>
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