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	<title>Comments on: AdSense Introduce a Validation Period for Referrals Program &#8211; a Sign of Conversion Fraud?</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan Poon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Poon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Text adds on google work the best.I have had success with these. Just needs some fine tweeking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Text adds on google work the best.I have had success with these. Just needs some fine tweeking.</p>
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		<title>By: drraman007</title>
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		<dc:creator>drraman007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i got conversion the next day i put referral ads on my blog......it was for wiki solutions and i got $23.48 for that.....then i put more referral ads on my blog in hope that i&#039;ll get more conversions.....but since then though i&#039;ve got 56 clicks on referrals and no conversion till now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i got conversion the next day i put referral ads on my blog&#8230;&#8230;it was for wiki solutions and i got $23.48 for that&#8230;..then i put more referral ads on my blog in hope that i&#8217;ll get more conversions&#8230;..but since then though i&#8217;ve got 56 clicks on referrals and no conversion till now.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Hashmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imran Hashmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am doing good with referrals. 

Google products are not that high value referrals but I have noticed some referrals got me 13$ per conversion and that were form non-Google products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing good with referrals. </p>
<p>Google products are not that high value referrals but I have noticed some referrals got me 13$ per conversion and that were form non-Google products.</p>
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		<title>By: Darnell Clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darnell Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have done fairly well on Google referrals, although they do not work as good as other affiliate programs.

I have found (ironically) that text ads seem to work the best for Google referrals, instead of the button ads. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have done fairly well on Google referrals, although they do not work as good as other affiliate programs.</p>
<p>I have found (ironically) that text ads seem to work the best for Google referrals, instead of the button ads. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m doing pretty well with Google Adsense. However, I have not made a single penny on referrals, involving either Google&#039;s products or other products, since Google started the referral program, so I have no idea how much they pay when one finally does convert. I get a fair number of clicks per month, but none of them converted. I was wondering how much anyone else is making on referral ads. Another thing that doesn&#039;t seem to be paying is their new video units, although this has just started, so I&#039;ll have to wait and see. I think one problem with the video units is that the same videos are being displayed—they don&#039;t seem to change often, and I selected the largest video unit with multiple choices. The problem I see with this project is that the choices aren&#039;t changing fast enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing pretty well with Google Adsense. However, I have not made a single penny on referrals, involving either Google&#8217;s products or other products, since Google started the referral program, so I have no idea how much they pay when one finally does convert. I get a fair number of clicks per month, but none of them converted. I was wondering how much anyone else is making on referral ads. Another thing that doesn&#8217;t seem to be paying is their new video units, although this has just started, so I&#8217;ll have to wait and see. I think one problem with the video units is that the same videos are being displayed—they don&#8217;t seem to change often, and I selected the largest video unit with multiple choices. The problem I see with this project is that the choices aren&#8217;t changing fast enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Vaibhav Gadodia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vaibhav Gadodia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Initially when I put on referrals on my blog, for some reason I got more one my referrals than on Adsense... and I am talking really a lot more...

I got one conversion which gave me around 70 dollars... which is hundreds of times more than I make from AdSense (i make a few dollars a month in AdSense earnings)...

But lately, there have been no clicks on referrals, much less conversions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initially when I put on referrals on my blog, for some reason I got more one my referrals than on Adsense&#8230; and I am talking really a lot more&#8230;</p>
<p>I got one conversion which gave me around 70 dollars&#8230; which is hundreds of times more than I make from AdSense (i make a few dollars a month in AdSense earnings)&#8230;</p>
<p>But lately, there have been no clicks on referrals, much less conversions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Dahlin</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/10/13/adsense-introduct-a-validation-period-for-referrals-program-a-sign-of-conversion-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-1864310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Dahlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one site which I use strictly for non-google conversions and I actively promote it. It returns about 3 times the money I put in to it, so it&#039;s a keeper. I&#039;m just a little concerned with this new development so I&#039;m keeping a close eye on my returns for that campaign today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one site which I use strictly for non-google conversions and I actively promote it. It returns about 3 times the money I put in to it, so it&#8217;s a keeper. I&#8217;m just a little concerned with this new development so I&#8217;m keeping a close eye on my returns for that campaign today.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a few click-thrus on non-google related referrals from my site, adnnd one conversion, which was quite a nice bonus for the day. As I&#039;ve only run referrals on my site for a week or so, I&#039;m hoping its the start of a beautiful realtionship.

The downside is wondering whether the one conversion is greater than the earnings from a standard ad in the same position with multiple click-thrus. Only time can really tell on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a few click-thrus on non-google related referrals from my site, adnnd one conversion, which was quite a nice bonus for the day. As I&#8217;ve only run referrals on my site for a week or so, I&#8217;m hoping its the start of a beautiful realtionship.</p>
<p>The downside is wondering whether the one conversion is greater than the earnings from a standard ad in the same position with multiple click-thrus. Only time can really tell on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimson Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimson Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve had limited success with one non Google referral product, but that particular product doesn&#039;t appear any more, and was replaced by a &quot;cheesy&quot; ad.

I also noticed using Text-link referral ads (no image ads) sometimes &quot;hang&quot; my sites, so I&#039;m not too happy about that.

Anyone else experience the same problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve had limited success with one non Google referral product, but that particular product doesn&#8217;t appear any more, and was replaced by a &#8220;cheesy&#8221; ad.</p>
<p>I also noticed using Text-link referral ads (no image ads) sometimes &#8220;hang&#8221; my sites, so I&#8217;m not too happy about that.</p>
<p>Anyone else experience the same problem?</p>
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		<title>By: fisker</title>
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		<dc:creator>fisker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know why but the adsense referral program didnt work out for me. But still I will continue with it till I succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know why but the adsense referral program didnt work out for me. But still I will continue with it till I succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/10/13/adsense-introduct-a-validation-period-for-referrals-program-a-sign-of-conversion-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-1862013</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referral and product ads perform really poorly on my site.  Basically, I use them as filler instead of using pictures for fillers.  The Google validation period will not really effect me, so I&#039;m not worried about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referral and product ads perform really poorly on my site.  Basically, I use them as filler instead of using pictures for fillers.  The Google validation period will not really effect me, so I&#8217;m not worried about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sangesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sangesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your are always the first for us to stay updated.

Thankx Darren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your are always the first for us to stay updated.</p>
<p>Thankx Darren.</p>
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		<title>By: Tejvan Pettinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tejvan Pettinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using google referrals on a mortgage blog. The payout is very good. But, the problem is trying to get google to display relevant referral ads. Quite often the referral ads are not relevant. I hope google can sort it out, because it would be an extremely useful scheme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using google referrals on a mortgage blog. The payout is very good. But, the problem is trying to get google to display relevant referral ads. Quite often the referral ads are not relevant. I hope google can sort it out, because it would be an extremely useful scheme</p>
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		<title>By: Errol Mars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Errol Mars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had limited success with one non Google product. I haven&#039;t really tried too much other products. Don&#039;t really like the way the referral setup works. Will most likely not use it any more. Then again I&#039;m still young in this online money making game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had limited success with one non Google product. I haven&#8217;t really tried too much other products. Don&#8217;t really like the way the referral setup works. Will most likely not use it any more. Then again I&#8217;m still young in this online money making game.</p>
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		<title>By: * Miss Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>* Miss Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have only met one blogger who had substantial success with non-Google products.

So, while it is certainly not impossible, it does not appear to be likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have only met one blogger who had substantial success with non-Google products.</p>
<p>So, while it is certainly not impossible, it does not appear to be likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had any conversions from non-Google products as of yet.

I wonder if I should switch to Google products instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had any conversions from non-Google products as of yet.</p>
<p>I wonder if I should switch to Google products instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly get any clicks, let alone conversions with the Google Referrals products.  And I was working really hard to get well targeted products appropriate to the blogs I used them on and optimize placement. Even when I resorted to outright asking people to check them out, I was getting less click through than with the normal Adsense ads and knocking down the regular Adsense revenue by using valuable screen real estate.  This mirrors my experience with earlier affiliate programs - which is all Adsense Referrals really are.  I&#039;m not even sure, given the abysmally low numbers, that I&#039;m not experiencing some of the same shaving that made me stop dealing with one of the big affiliate clearinghouses and go to Adsense ads in the first place.  
A thoroughly product oriented blog might have more success, but my experience with service and information oriented blogs is that the advertisers who want a sale *right now* shoot themselves and the publishers in the foot. The numbers I was looking at would have made me considerable revenue with a single conversion (some of them over $100) but when the ads don&#039;t even merit a click, forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly get any clicks, let alone conversions with the Google Referrals products.  And I was working really hard to get well targeted products appropriate to the blogs I used them on and optimize placement. Even when I resorted to outright asking people to check them out, I was getting less click through than with the normal Adsense ads and knocking down the regular Adsense revenue by using valuable screen real estate.  This mirrors my experience with earlier affiliate programs &#8211; which is all Adsense Referrals really are.  I&#8217;m not even sure, given the abysmally low numbers, that I&#8217;m not experiencing some of the same shaving that made me stop dealing with one of the big affiliate clearinghouses and go to Adsense ads in the first place.<br />
A thoroughly product oriented blog might have more success, but my experience with service and information oriented blogs is that the advertisers who want a sale *right now* shoot themselves and the publishers in the foot. The numbers I was looking at would have made me considerable revenue with a single conversion (some of them over $100) but when the ads don&#8217;t even merit a click, forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Goad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Goad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typically, Google says that they can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;say&lt;/i&gt; how long the referral validation will last and that it will be different from publisher to publisher.

I looked at the referrals when when it was expanded beyond the Google products, but I didn&#039;t see anything I wanted to include on my site - plus I was skeptical about getting anything from it without having to slant my content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typically, Google says that they can&#8217;t <i>say</i> how long the referral validation will last and that it will be different from publisher to publisher.</p>
<p>I looked at the referrals when when it was expanded beyond the Google products, but I didn&#8217;t see anything I wanted to include on my site &#8211; plus I was skeptical about getting anything from it without having to slant my content.</p>
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