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		<title>By: &#160; Emalimage: get yours!&#160;&#8212;&#160;BlogoSquare</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Emalimage: get yours!&#160;&#8212;&#160;BlogoSquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=problogger.net&quot; title=&quot;DNS report for problogger.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dnsreport.com&lt;/a&gt; that you are not using the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework&quot; title=&quot;sender policy framework&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SPF records&lt;/a&gt; (sender policy framework). Many ISP mailservers will reject spam from unauthorised IPs by checking the SPF records. Using SPF might have prevented many of these angry people from receiving the spam in the first place. For this reason, I would recommend that you SPF records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice from <a href="http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=problogger.net" title="DNS report for problogger.net" rel="nofollow">dnsreport.com</a> that you are not using the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework" title="sender policy framework" rel="nofollow">SPF records</a> (sender policy framework). Many ISP mailservers will reject spam from unauthorised IPs by checking the SPF records. Using SPF might have prevented many of these angry people from receiving the spam in the first place. For this reason, I would recommend that you SPF records.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a firm believer that whatever you do unto others, will also be done unto you.

Spammers are a disease of the internet.  They will get their reward soon enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer that whatever you do unto others, will also be done unto you.</p>
<p>Spammers are a disease of the internet.  They will get their reward soon enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish Mohta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashish Mohta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow...that s**** ....we can understand darren but dont worry we all trust you and we know u wont spam with stupid stuff just spam us with blogging lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;that s**** &#8230;.we can understand darren but dont worry we all trust you and we know u wont spam with stupid stuff just spam us with blogging lol</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently experienced something very similar. In fact, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it were the same spammer in both incidents. {Darren, I sent you a separate email just now about this.} 

I have received emails from the recipients of this spoof email that used my email address and included the full content of one of my newsletters as distributed through aweber (so the spammer subscribed to my list to get it and then unsubscribed when they were done).

The spammer pasted their ad in the bottom of the spam email after my newsletter and changed the subject line of the email. In return I&#039;ve had emails from the recipients using the F word, the B word and a lot of other offensive words. They&#039;ve reported me and my domain as spam, etc. I&#039;m still cleaning up the damage (and hoping none of these unhappy people come to visit me in person one day). The spammer pasted an ad about weight loss and apparently this is a very touchy personal subject with people who receive such ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently experienced something very similar. In fact, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it were the same spammer in both incidents. {Darren, I sent you a separate email just now about this.} </p>
<p>I have received emails from the recipients of this spoof email that used my email address and included the full content of one of my newsletters as distributed through aweber (so the spammer subscribed to my list to get it and then unsubscribed when they were done).</p>
<p>The spammer pasted their ad in the bottom of the spam email after my newsletter and changed the subject line of the email. In return I&#8217;ve had emails from the recipients using the F word, the B word and a lot of other offensive words. They&#8217;ve reported me and my domain as spam, etc. I&#8217;m still cleaning up the damage (and hoping none of these unhappy people come to visit me in person one day). The spammer pasted an ad about weight loss and apparently this is a very touchy personal subject with people who receive such ads.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are somethings much worse than email spam:

Fax spam - we waste more paper on fax spam than we use for real faxes.

SMS spam. I have to pay for messages to my phone. Plus, the annoying beep that should only be something from someone I know. I now have the service blocked completely so now I cannot use it even if I want to.

Email spam does not seem so bad - still don&#039;t like it.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are somethings much worse than email spam:</p>
<p>Fax spam &#8211; we waste more paper on fax spam than we use for real faxes.</p>
<p>SMS spam. I have to pay for messages to my phone. Plus, the annoying beep that should only be something from someone I know. I now have the service blocked completely so now I cannot use it even if I want to.</p>
<p>Email spam does not seem so bad &#8211; still don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people have any sense, they&#039;ll realize that there is more value in a targeted list than just blatant crap-spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people have any sense, they&#8217;ll realize that there is more value in a targeted list than just blatant crap-spam.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comment, but sorry you had to unfairly take all that abuse from people.  That just sucks and it couldn&#039;t have brightened your day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment, but sorry you had to unfairly take all that abuse from people.  That just sucks and it couldn&#8217;t have brightened your day.</p>
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		<title>By: jhay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only ones who love spam are the ones who make money out of it. We really need to do something to get rid of spam.

Charges for sending e-mails is quite tempting, I wonder how would everyone else react to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only ones who love spam are the ones who make money out of it. We really need to do something to get rid of spam.</p>
<p>Charges for sending e-mails is quite tempting, I wonder how would everyone else react to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two issues here...theft of an email address and the use of spam.

Fraud and theft is unfortunately a part of doing business.  I&#039;m currently working with a company that had to change its main bank account twice last year due to excessive fraud.  Heck, in accounting, we even have a &quot;kinder&quot; word for it...shrinkage (like that&#039;s fooling anyone).

Spam...well...spam, like direct mail and telemarketing, works.  The biggest issue with spam is that its so blasted inexpensive to use.  You want to limit spam?  Put a cost on sending emails.

Sending cyber hugs your way Darren and great job on using your experience to bring attention to the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two issues here&#8230;theft of an email address and the use of spam.</p>
<p>Fraud and theft is unfortunately a part of doing business.  I&#8217;m currently working with a company that had to change its main bank account twice last year due to excessive fraud.  Heck, in accounting, we even have a &#8220;kinder&#8221; word for it&#8230;shrinkage (like that&#8217;s fooling anyone).</p>
<p>Spam&#8230;well&#8230;spam, like direct mail and telemarketing, works.  The biggest issue with spam is that its so blasted inexpensive to use.  You want to limit spam?  Put a cost on sending emails.</p>
<p>Sending cyber hugs your way Darren and great job on using your experience to bring attention to the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>500 emails..wow.  I know how it feels.  My husband and I once had it happen through a system we were using to build a website.  The people who hosted us apparently were sending us warnings about it all, but we got nothing in our inbox about it. So, needless to say we were banned from it.  It actually was affecting everyone else&#039;s website that was using the hosting.  It was pretty bad.  So, I know how you feel when someone uses your website to send spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>500 emails..wow.  I know how it feels.  My husband and I once had it happen through a system we were using to build a website.  The people who hosted us apparently were sending us warnings about it all, but we got nothing in our inbox about it. So, needless to say we were banned from it.  It actually was affecting everyone else&#8217;s website that was using the hosting.  It was pretty bad.  So, I know how you feel when someone uses your website to send spam.</p>
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		<title>By: Paolo Amoroso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paolo Amoroso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who hate spam are apparently not enough. The sad truth is that, if we have so much junk in our inboxes, it because it works, it makes spammers earn a ton of money. The number of gullible people who make spam work is disturbingly large. Spam is a scary window on human gullibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who hate spam are apparently not enough. The sad truth is that, if we have so much junk in our inboxes, it because it works, it makes spammers earn a ton of money. The number of gullible people who make spam work is disturbingly large. Spam is a scary window on human gullibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Remon Talks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remon Talks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spammers using forged email addresses is a big problem nowadays. I believe the use of an SPF record should fight this, but unfortunately SPF record usage is not very widespread at the moment.

For more info about SPF records google it or see www.openspf.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spammers using forged email addresses is a big problem nowadays. I believe the use of an SPF record should fight this, but unfortunately SPF record usage is not very widespread at the moment.</p>
<p>For more info about SPF records google it or see <a href="http://www.openspf.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.openspf.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaEMoN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaEMoN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you really handled the situation well, Darren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you really handled the situation well, Darren</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the point of view somebody who wasn&#039;t affected, all I can say is goodjob. You&#039;ve handled yourself well, takes a special person to look for the silver lining in every situation. 

It&#039;s a shame that this hasn&#039;t been solved yet, why not just make a seperate website for your newsletter then get people to subscribe to that instead? (I know, some folks don&#039;t use RSS yet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the point of view somebody who wasn&#8217;t affected, all I can say is goodjob. You&#8217;ve handled yourself well, takes a special person to look for the silver lining in every situation. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that this hasn&#8217;t been solved yet, why not just make a seperate website for your newsletter then get people to subscribe to that instead? (I know, some folks don&#8217;t use RSS yet.)</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the only things you can do against spammers which will have any effect are:

1. shop them to the authorities: if you are in the same jurisdiction and have competent e-fraud police, then this is worthwhile and most other businesses will thank you for it - if they are distant, it&#039;s probably difficult, but maybe you can feed their telephone numbers and mailing addresses to their local authorities.

2. name and shame them: particularly if you have a high search engine placement or relevant audience, you can make their misdeeds widely known. However, be careful to check it was really them.  I&#039;ve once seen people dirtying rivals&#039; names by impersonation-spamming, but I think it&#039;s pretty rare.

The problem is not technology (authenticated email, sender verification, SPF, Sender-ID, or any other FUSSP) but legality: fraud and advertising criminal codes.

Any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the only things you can do against spammers which will have any effect are:</p>
<p>1. shop them to the authorities: if you are in the same jurisdiction and have competent e-fraud police, then this is worthwhile and most other businesses will thank you for it &#8211; if they are distant, it&#8217;s probably difficult, but maybe you can feed their telephone numbers and mailing addresses to their local authorities.</p>
<p>2. name and shame them: particularly if you have a high search engine placement or relevant audience, you can make their misdeeds widely known. However, be careful to check it was really them.  I&#8217;ve once seen people dirtying rivals&#8217; names by impersonation-spamming, but I think it&#8217;s pretty rare.</p>
<p>The problem is not technology (authenticated email, sender verification, SPF, Sender-ID, or any other FUSSP) but legality: fraud and advertising criminal codes.</p>
<p>Any more?</p>
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		<title>By: markowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>markowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get pretty angry about spam, and would be tempted to fire off an angry email, if I wasn&#039;t aware that there is no point, and that return addresses are often spoofed. Spammers do NOT have a customer service department, in fact do not generally read their return email (think how many bounced mails they get)!

Why the anger? I think that we feel it is an invasion of our privacy, of our personal space and in that respect, people who get livid about spam are the same personality types (like me) who get &quot;the rage&quot; when they are cut up in traffic or made to wait in queues... GRRRR...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get pretty angry about spam, and would be tempted to fire off an angry email, if I wasn&#8217;t aware that there is no point, and that return addresses are often spoofed. Spammers do NOT have a customer service department, in fact do not generally read their return email (think how many bounced mails they get)!</p>
<p>Why the anger? I think that we feel it is an invasion of our privacy, of our personal space and in that respect, people who get livid about spam are the same personality types (like me) who get &#8220;the rage&#8221; when they are cut up in traffic or made to wait in queues&#8230; GRRRR&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Darren,

Just letting you know the owners of SPAM (the tinned meat) have no objection to spam (junk email) being called &quot;spam&quot;, but they ask that it be no likened to SPAM (the tinned meat) through the use of their logos or images of their products in discussion of spam.

Of course they&#039;re fighting a losing battle, but in principles it&#039;s not an unreasonable request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Darren,</p>
<p>Just letting you know the owners of SPAM (the tinned meat) have no objection to spam (junk email) being called &#8220;spam&#8221;, but they ask that it be no likened to SPAM (the tinned meat) through the use of their logos or images of their products in discussion of spam.</p>
<p>Of course they&#8217;re fighting a losing battle, but in principles it&#8217;s not an unreasonable request.</p>
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		<title>By: security</title>
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		<dc:creator>security</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sec.gov/news/press/2007/2007-34.htm

Interesting that the topic of Spam came up - the SEC just halted trading on 35 Companies because of their extremely aggressive Spam emails

and tonight 20 -20 just did an 23 minute interview with a Successful Nigerian Scam Artist who came clean and revealed secrets after being exposed in a sting operation</description>
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<p>Interesting that the topic of Spam came up &#8211; the SEC just halted trading on 35 Companies because of their extremely aggressive Spam emails</p>
<p>and tonight 20 -20 just did an 23 minute interview with a Successful Nigerian Scam Artist who came clean and revealed secrets after being exposed in a sting operation</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame people get so worked up over a few spam emails with threats and abuse. Like Andy said, these people are probably a few bricks shy of a load to begin with.

First and foremost, they should use free email addresses to sign up for newsletters and the like to begin with. I could care less who spams my throw away accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame people get so worked up over a few spam emails with threats and abuse. Like Andy said, these people are probably a few bricks shy of a load to begin with.</p>
<p>First and foremost, they should use free email addresses to sign up for newsletters and the like to begin with. I could care less who spams my throw away accounts.</p>
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