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		<title>By: High School 2.0 - Blog Network News</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2006/05/16/techcrunch-redesign-update/comment-page-1/#comment-289991</link>
		<dc:creator>High School 2.0 - Blog Network News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 17:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Watching this entire scenario unfold is like watching a presidential election. You&#8217;re either on the far left &#8212; love Rachel and think Michael Arrington&#8217;s an ass, or on the far right &#8212; love Michael and think Rachel&#8217;s a flake. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be much middle ground, except for Darren trying to be impartial. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Watching this entire scenario unfold is like watching a presidential election. You&#8217;re either on the far left &#8212; love Rachel and think Michael Arrington&#8217;s an ass, or on the far right &#8212; love Michael and think Rachel&#8217;s a flake. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be much middle ground, except for Darren trying to be impartial. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2006/05/16/techcrunch-redesign-update/comment-page-1/#comment-283211</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Wilbert, she STILL didn&#039;t resign publically.  *bangs head against wall*

If you&#039;re going to comment on this, PLEASE read what&#039;s already been stated a dozen times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Wilbert, she STILL didn&#8217;t resign publically.  *bangs head against wall*</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to comment on this, PLEASE read what&#8217;s already been stated a dozen times.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilbert: A solid professional doesn&#039;t need a &#039;lot&#039; of customers. Just several, big well-paying customers is more than enough. I doubt she&#039;ll lose too much sleep over whether 2 million potential clients like her or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbert: A solid professional doesn&#8217;t need a &#8216;lot&#8217; of customers. Just several, big well-paying customers is more than enough. I doubt she&#8217;ll lose too much sleep over whether 2 million potential clients like her or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 13:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However justified, Rachel made a big mistake with her public resignation.

She&#039;ll pick up some work from it perhaps. But there&#039;ll be a lot more potential customers who won&#039;t touch her with a 10-foot pole. Why risk the possibility that your designer will cause you to be held up publicly for attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However justified, Rachel made a big mistake with her public resignation.</p>
<p>She&#8217;ll pick up some work from it perhaps. But there&#8217;ll be a lot more potential customers who won&#8217;t touch her with a 10-foot pole. Why risk the possibility that your designer will cause you to be held up publicly for attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 05:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Design is not &quot;incredibly personal&quot; - art is. Designers solve problems and make things work for people not for themselves. 

This Mike guy sounds like a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Design is not &#8220;incredibly personal&#8221; &#8211; art is. Designers solve problems and make things work for people not for themselves. </p>
<p>This Mike guy sounds like a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 01:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve added another update or my own comments after a good night&#039;s sleep above for those who are following this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve added another update or my own comments after a good night&#8217;s sleep above for those who are following this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then perhaps he should read his email before he reads his trackbacks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then perhaps he should read his email before he reads his trackbacks</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squirrel: That makes sense, but you (like the rest of us) are doing some reading between the lines there. I guess we don&#039;t know what really happened.

Anyway, I agree, they&#039;re both coming out of this looking bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squirrel: That makes sense, but you (like the rest of us) are doing some reading between the lines there. I guess we don&#8217;t know what really happened.</p>
<p>Anyway, I agree, they&#8217;re both coming out of this looking bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrelinabox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squirrelinabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI. According to Mike&#039;s latest post http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=209, she did it in the middle of the night publicly and he didn&#039;t know about it until he read about it on another site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI. According to Mike&#8217;s latest post <a href="http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=209" rel="nofollow">http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=209</a>, she did it in the middle of the night publicly and he didn&#8217;t know about it until he read about it on another site.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI.  Rachel didn&#039;t resign publically!  She announced that she HAD resigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI.  Rachel didn&#8217;t resign publically!  She announced that she HAD resigned.</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrelinabox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squirrelinabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I&#039;m not Rachel, but let me try to explain the problem with what Mike did.

Imagine you&#039;re Rachel and you were hired to redesign a fairly large and popular site.  You&#039;ve designed many sites before and usually you get to actually design most aspects of it from color, to layout, to font, etc.  

However, Mike wants you to mostly just implement his own ideas.  This isn&#039;t necessarily a bad thing, and Rachel should have backed out earlier if she didn&#039;t want it like that.

Anyway, you&#039;re Rachel and you design the site to Mike&#039;s specifications.  Once the site goes live, BOOM, a LARGE outcry from people that don&#039;t like the new design.  Being a class act, you (as Rachel) decide to not flat out blame Mike, so you bite the bullet and take some heat for a design that you probably would have done completely different.

Now, in the middle of this huge uproar of people bagging on the design, your client (Mike) posts a screenshot of a different design and says he&#039;ll probably go with some of those ideas.  

What does this do?  It&#039;s a HUGE slap in Rachel&#039;s face.  She did her best to not blame Mike for the bad design, and Mike didn&#039;t really defend her (though it appears he did a little).  With the drama unfolding all over the place, the way he posted the screenshot made it look like (to some) that he was agreeing that Rachel did a poor job and that the author of the screenshot could do much better.  Worse, it could potentially hurt Rachel&#039;s reputation.

Whew... anyway, with all that said. I still believe Rachel went about it entirely wrong as her own actions ended up being very similar to Mike&#039;s when she posted her resignation publically, which is a slap in Mike&#039;s face and hurts his rep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I&#8217;m not Rachel, but let me try to explain the problem with what Mike did.</p>
<p>Imagine you&#8217;re Rachel and you were hired to redesign a fairly large and popular site.  You&#8217;ve designed many sites before and usually you get to actually design most aspects of it from color, to layout, to font, etc.  </p>
<p>However, Mike wants you to mostly just implement his own ideas.  This isn&#8217;t necessarily a bad thing, and Rachel should have backed out earlier if she didn&#8217;t want it like that.</p>
<p>Anyway, you&#8217;re Rachel and you design the site to Mike&#8217;s specifications.  Once the site goes live, BOOM, a LARGE outcry from people that don&#8217;t like the new design.  Being a class act, you (as Rachel) decide to not flat out blame Mike, so you bite the bullet and take some heat for a design that you probably would have done completely different.</p>
<p>Now, in the middle of this huge uproar of people bagging on the design, your client (Mike) posts a screenshot of a different design and says he&#8217;ll probably go with some of those ideas.  </p>
<p>What does this do?  It&#8217;s a HUGE slap in Rachel&#8217;s face.  She did her best to not blame Mike for the bad design, and Mike didn&#8217;t really defend her (though it appears he did a little).  With the drama unfolding all over the place, the way he posted the screenshot made it look like (to some) that he was agreeing that Rachel did a poor job and that the author of the screenshot could do much better.  Worse, it could potentially hurt Rachel&#8217;s reputation.</p>
<p>Whew&#8230; anyway, with all that said. I still believe Rachel went about it entirely wrong as her own actions ended up being very similar to Mike&#8217;s when she posted her resignation publically, which is a slap in Mike&#8217;s face and hurts his rep.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 20:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t see the point of all this. I must not have a designer&#039;s mindset. Why would posting a screenshot of someone else&#039;s mockup and saying &quot;I like some of it&quot; be so offensive that the designer would resign? He didn&#039;t say &quot;this is better than Rachel&#039;s&quot;, he just said he liked some of the ideas.

And what&#039;s wrong with hiring a designer but being able to override some of their ideas? Isn&#039;t that how it works? I certainly wouldn&#039;t hire a designer and give them full control over the site, even if it was 37 Signals.

This whole thing makes me wary of hiring a designer for fear there&#039;s some deep, dark Designer&#039;s Code I&#039;m unfamiliar with and in danger of offending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t see the point of all this. I must not have a designer&#8217;s mindset. Why would posting a screenshot of someone else&#8217;s mockup and saying &#8220;I like some of it&#8221; be so offensive that the designer would resign? He didn&#8217;t say &#8220;this is better than Rachel&#8217;s&#8221;, he just said he liked some of the ideas.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s wrong with hiring a designer but being able to override some of their ideas? Isn&#8217;t that how it works? I certainly wouldn&#8217;t hire a designer and give them full control over the site, even if it was 37 Signals.</p>
<p>This whole thing makes me wary of hiring a designer for fear there&#8217;s some deep, dark Designer&#8217;s Code I&#8217;m unfamiliar with and in danger of offending.</p>
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		<title>By: saurab</title>
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		<dc:creator>saurab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guess it&#039;s easy to blame rachel or mike, but it&#039;s also us bloggers who make a mountain out of a molehill...... this puts unnecessary pressure on individuals. Considering this, it&#039;s quite natural what happened in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guess it&#8217;s easy to blame rachel or mike, but it&#8217;s also us bloggers who make a mountain out of a molehill&#8230;&#8230; this puts unnecessary pressure on individuals. Considering this, it&#8217;s quite natural what happened in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
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		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 19:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally a comment worth commenting on regarding this mess!  Squirrelinabox (#15, #16, #18) gets it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally a comment worth commenting on regarding this mess!  Squirrelinabox (#15, #16, #18) gets it!</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrelinabox</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2006/05/16/techcrunch-redesign-update/comment-page-1/#comment-282353</link>
		<dc:creator>Squirrelinabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not talking about skill as a designer.  I&#039;m talking about how both Mike AND Rachel have hurt each other&#039;s reputation with this whole thing.

I would not want to risk having Rachel publically quit on me before talking with me first, no matter how good a designer she may be.

However, with that said, I do realize that we are probably only getting 1/100th the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking about skill as a designer.  I&#8217;m talking about how both Mike AND Rachel have hurt each other&#8217;s reputation with this whole thing.</p>
<p>I would not want to risk having Rachel publically quit on me before talking with me first, no matter how good a designer she may be.</p>
<p>However, with that said, I do realize that we are probably only getting 1/100th the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 18:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hardly say I wouldn&#039;t hire Rachel. I&#039;ve looked through every single piece of work on her site and this is the only one I&#039;ve found that I flat-out didn&#039;t like. If I were ever to hire a designer it might very well be her. The fact that she got shafted on this one project doesn&#039;t take away from her skill as a designer, IMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hardly say I wouldn&#8217;t hire Rachel. I&#8217;ve looked through every single piece of work on her site and this is the only one I&#8217;ve found that I flat-out didn&#8217;t like. If I were ever to hire a designer it might very well be her. The fact that she got shafted on this one project doesn&#8217;t take away from her skill as a designer, IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrelinabox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squirrelinabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one last comment.  From this whole thing I think it&#039;s safe to say I&#039;d never be a designer for Mike or hire Rachel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one last comment.  From this whole thing I think it&#8217;s safe to say I&#8217;d never be a designer for Mike or hire Rachel.</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrelinabox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squirrelinabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I&#039;ve read it seems like both Mike and Rachel kind of dropped the ball here.

First, Rachel should have resigned at the beginning if she didn&#039;t want to take on a project for a client that was pretty much just doing what he told her.

Second, Mike should have talked with Rachel more and probably shouldn&#039;t have posted the screenshot of the other design like he did.  It seems innocent, especially from his last comment, but the way he presented it did make it look like he was going to start merging someone else&#039;s design elements with Rachel&#039;s.

Third, Rachel should have talked with Mike privately before doing a public resignation.  Though it seems she had a lot of class through most of this ordeal, by making her client see her resignation for the first time on a public post takes a lot away from her professionalism IMO.

Honestly, the way it stands now, it doesn&#039;t seem like Mike did anything wrong, nor did Rachel really.  It seems like a pretty large misunderstanding that would have been better settled if either one would have taken the time to discuss it in private more.

But then again, perhaps there&#039;s a whole lot more going on privately that we don&#039;t know about... I dunno.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve read it seems like both Mike and Rachel kind of dropped the ball here.</p>
<p>First, Rachel should have resigned at the beginning if she didn&#8217;t want to take on a project for a client that was pretty much just doing what he told her.</p>
<p>Second, Mike should have talked with Rachel more and probably shouldn&#8217;t have posted the screenshot of the other design like he did.  It seems innocent, especially from his last comment, but the way he presented it did make it look like he was going to start merging someone else&#8217;s design elements with Rachel&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Third, Rachel should have talked with Mike privately before doing a public resignation.  Though it seems she had a lot of class through most of this ordeal, by making her client see her resignation for the first time on a public post takes a lot away from her professionalism IMO.</p>
<p>Honestly, the way it stands now, it doesn&#8217;t seem like Mike did anything wrong, nor did Rachel really.  It seems like a pretty large misunderstanding that would have been better settled if either one would have taken the time to discuss it in private more.</p>
<p>But then again, perhaps there&#8217;s a whole lot more going on privately that we don&#8217;t know about&#8230; I dunno.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feeling is that Mike and rachel should have worked together to get a product that they were both proud of. Rachel deferred to Mike as the owner but had it not been for Mike&#039;s lack of class, the Tech Crunch project could have really hurt her career. In a high-profile &quot;marriage&quot; at that level, both sides are equally responsible for the well-being of the other. No two ways about it. Mike took the ego road of only caring about himself and Rachel got the short end of the stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling is that Mike and rachel should have worked together to get a product that they were both proud of. Rachel deferred to Mike as the owner but had it not been for Mike&#8217;s lack of class, the Tech Crunch project could have really hurt her career. In a high-profile &#8220;marriage&#8221; at that level, both sides are equally responsible for the well-being of the other. No two ways about it. Mike took the ego road of only caring about himself and Rachel got the short end of the stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 16:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the double trackback. feel free to delete the first one and this comment</description>
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