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		<title>By: Website Traffic</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/12/16/ypn-first-impression-review/comment-page-1/#comment-782802</link>
		<dc:creator>Website Traffic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very very nice blog!... But what made you decide on the theme?</description>
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		<title>By: Josh Highland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Highland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im making way more with YPN then I ever did with Google</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im making way more with YPN then I ever did with Google</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very new at this game, but I had immediate results from Adsense on a tiny blog .. in the $X.XX range in the first few weeks, enough to make me start learning the ropes.  I see in the string above a few seem have had the same kind of person to person experience I&#039;ve had with Yahoo customer service folks.

Because of a trip I was a few days tardy in implementing YPN&#039;s confirmation link.  I received a phone call from a very unpleasant person who began taking me to task for not immediately activating my account and then launching into an unasked for and demeaning discussion of how I must need help in clicking on the link.  I&#039;m new to blogging but I&#039;ve been on line since before there was a WWW, I don&#039;t need smart Aleck&#039;s to &#039;walk me through&#039; clicking on a link.  When I told her the time she called was not good she veritably barked at me, her voice dripping with exasperation, &quot;Then tell me a good time!&quot;

My response, perhaps ill-thought out, was to inform her that is Yahoo wanted to be that pushy when I was offering add space at my own risk, that she could just take me out of the program.

Time will tell if I made a dumb move but my goodness they need to think through their business model and the way they deal with their prospective publishers, or they need to in my view at least.

Any others have unsatisfactory experiences, or did I just catch this lady on a bad day for her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very new at this game, but I had immediate results from Adsense on a tiny blog .. in the $X.XX range in the first few weeks, enough to make me start learning the ropes.  I see in the string above a few seem have had the same kind of person to person experience I&#8217;ve had with Yahoo customer service folks.</p>
<p>Because of a trip I was a few days tardy in implementing YPN&#8217;s confirmation link.  I received a phone call from a very unpleasant person who began taking me to task for not immediately activating my account and then launching into an unasked for and demeaning discussion of how I must need help in clicking on the link.  I&#8217;m new to blogging but I&#8217;ve been on line since before there was a WWW, I don&#8217;t need smart Aleck&#8217;s to &#8216;walk me through&#8217; clicking on a link.  When I told her the time she called was not good she veritably barked at me, her voice dripping with exasperation, &#8220;Then tell me a good time!&#8221;</p>
<p>My response, perhaps ill-thought out, was to inform her that is Yahoo wanted to be that pushy when I was offering add space at my own risk, that she could just take me out of the program.</p>
<p>Time will tell if I made a dumb move but my goodness they need to think through their business model and the way they deal with their prospective publishers, or they need to in my view at least.</p>
<p>Any others have unsatisfactory experiences, or did I just catch this lady on a bad day for her?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren,

Are you using ad targeting (where you suggest up to two categories per domain)?  This can vastly improve relevance.  You can also experiment with blocking specific ads. I&#039;ve tested YPN extensively on about 4 dozen sites and the results range from fantastic to poor.  If you can get relevant ads, the PPC difference vs Adsense can be huge (they can also be less than adsense).  The CTR is always less, but when you have click that can pay over $20, the overall results far exceed anything close ot what adsense pays.  Some sites average over $XX.XX per click - even 25 times what adsense pays.  You also only get paid on for clicks from US IPs, so your traffic demographics can play a big role in your decision to run YPN vs adsense.  I&#039;ve found that YPN produces better financial results approximately 75% of the time - but that number really depends on the type of sites you have.  

 YPN also states that there is a promotion pricing in effect during beta, so PPC is likely to decrease by and unknown percentage in the future - after they have lured enough sites away from adsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren,</p>
<p>Are you using ad targeting (where you suggest up to two categories per domain)?  This can vastly improve relevance.  You can also experiment with blocking specific ads. I&#8217;ve tested YPN extensively on about 4 dozen sites and the results range from fantastic to poor.  If you can get relevant ads, the PPC difference vs Adsense can be huge (they can also be less than adsense).  The CTR is always less, but when you have click that can pay over $20, the overall results far exceed anything close ot what adsense pays.  Some sites average over $XX.XX per click &#8211; even 25 times what adsense pays.  You also only get paid on for clicks from US IPs, so your traffic demographics can play a big role in your decision to run YPN vs adsense.  I&#8217;ve found that YPN produces better financial results approximately 75% of the time &#8211; but that number really depends on the type of sites you have.  </p>
<p> YPN also states that there is a promotion pricing in effect during beta, so PPC is likely to decrease by and unknown percentage in the future &#8211; after they have lured enough sites away from adsense.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to remove my YPN due to ads not relating to my sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to remove my YPN due to ads not relating to my sites.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of an adlinks format is the number one issue that needs to be resolved. Targeting remains a problem. Strictly from a business perspective, ads for gay cruises don&#039;t appeal to my particular audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of an adlinks format is the number one issue that needs to be resolved. Targeting remains a problem. Strictly from a business perspective, ads for gay cruises don&#8217;t appeal to my particular audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad relevancy is definately a problem although I&#039;m seeing relevant ads here at Problogger at the moment. The return on the ads though is somthing amazing, a lot lower CTR but much higher returns. With Google smartpricing and that sort of thing I can only guess that Yahoo is paying a much higher cut on the ads than Google is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad relevancy is definately a problem although I&#8217;m seeing relevant ads here at Problogger at the moment. The return on the ads though is somthing amazing, a lot lower CTR but much higher returns. With Google smartpricing and that sort of thing I can only guess that Yahoo is paying a much higher cut on the ads than Google is.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kaufmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Kaufmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been in the Yahoo beta since the first wave, and I&#039;ve had problems with ad relevancy.  A large part of that might be a limited pool of ads to choose from, because sometimes it&#039;s spot-on -- but not usually.  My blog is pretty eclectic, and that seems to really throw it for a loop.  It&#039;s almost as if the engine gives up and just gives me some generic stuff sometimes.

But the huge upside is a vastly superior CPC rate.  Where Adsense was giving me pennies per click, some Yahoo clicks are in the dollars range.

In an ideal world, as YPN leaves beta the engine will serve more relevant ads while keeping a nice, hefty CPC.  *crosses fingers*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been in the Yahoo beta since the first wave, and I&#8217;ve had problems with ad relevancy.  A large part of that might be a limited pool of ads to choose from, because sometimes it&#8217;s spot-on &#8212; but not usually.  My blog is pretty eclectic, and that seems to really throw it for a loop.  It&#8217;s almost as if the engine gives up and just gives me some generic stuff sometimes.</p>
<p>But the huge upside is a vastly superior CPC rate.  Where Adsense was giving me pennies per click, some Yahoo clicks are in the dollars range.</p>
<p>In an ideal world, as YPN leaves beta the engine will serve more relevant ads while keeping a nice, hefty CPC.  *crosses fingers*</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hanna - Florida Foreclosure Properties</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hanna - Florida Foreclosure Properties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad relevancy has been a big issue on the page I&#039;ve tried this on (in my name link).  Though the ads are nominally real estate related, they aren&#039;t in the correct &quot;niche&quot; and aren&#039;t always geographically appropriate, which is very important with real estate. Lots of ads for a gay real estate referral service, which is not a problem except that it&#039;s only going to appeal to less than 10% of viewers (probably much less) and isn&#039;t likely to generate much revenue as a result. On the other hand, even with lower CTR, the payout looks comparable to Adsense, but not as consistent.

The only other thing I &quot;miss&quot; is the adlinks format.  They are big earners by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad relevancy has been a big issue on the page I&#8217;ve tried this on (in my name link).  Though the ads are nominally real estate related, they aren&#8217;t in the correct &#8220;niche&#8221; and aren&#8217;t always geographically appropriate, which is very important with real estate. Lots of ads for a gay real estate referral service, which is not a problem except that it&#8217;s only going to appeal to less than 10% of viewers (probably much less) and isn&#8217;t likely to generate much revenue as a result. On the other hand, even with lower CTR, the payout looks comparable to Adsense, but not as consistent.</p>
<p>The only other thing I &#8220;miss&#8221; is the adlinks format.  They are big earners by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else to consider is that you don&#039;t get paid until you have $100 in your account. That&#039;s the biggest reason why I haven&#039;t experimented after getting my invitation -- I&#039;m small-time, and it would take me a long time to reach that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else to consider is that you don&#8217;t get paid until you have $100 in your account. That&#8217;s the biggest reason why I haven&#8217;t experimented after getting my invitation &#8212; I&#8217;m small-time, and it would take me a long time to reach that.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just threw up YPN on my local neighborhood community forum that I run.  I did this *yesterday* and I&#039;ve already got a $11.82 balance based on 733 impressions and 2 clicks - that&#039;s a CPM of $5.03 w/ $3.69 for Revenue.

I really don&#039;t see where the &#039;balance&#039; comes from though.

I switched the ad block to the bottom of the page (due to complaints) so I&#039;m sure that will affect things a bit.  I&#039;m using this site for testing purposes before moving it to my blogs to replace AdSense ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just threw up YPN on my local neighborhood community forum that I run.  I did this *yesterday* and I&#8217;ve already got a $11.82 balance based on 733 impressions and 2 clicks &#8211; that&#8217;s a CPM of $5.03 w/ $3.69 for Revenue.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see where the &#8216;balance&#8217; comes from though.</p>
<p>I switched the ad block to the bottom of the page (due to complaints) so I&#8217;m sure that will affect things a bit.  I&#8217;m using this site for testing purposes before moving it to my blogs to replace AdSense &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Gary - but unfortunately I don&#039;t get into discussion individual sites performance. Sorry but all I can really say is that they vary incredibly depending upon &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/26/what-is-a-good-ctr-in-adsense/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many many factors&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Gary &#8211; but unfortunately I don&#8217;t get into discussion individual sites performance. Sorry but all I can really say is that they vary incredibly depending upon <a href="http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/26/what-is-a-good-ctr-in-adsense/" rel="nofollow">many many factors</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren: If I may be so bold, I&#039;m curious, which of your sites does the best with click thru ads?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren: If I may be so bold, I&#8217;m curious, which of your sites does the best with click thru ads?</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/12/16/ypn-first-impression-review/comment-page-1/#comment-183225</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brem - yeah, although keep in mind that Google is a few years ahead and that Yahoo is still testing. Google started with english sites also and probably had a pretty exclusive testing period.

Blaine - yeah it seems to have improved a bit - hopefully performance will also as the first stat update was pretty terrible. Will give it a bit more time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brem &#8211; yeah, although keep in mind that Google is a few years ahead and that Yahoo is still testing. Google started with english sites also and probably had a pretty exclusive testing period.</p>
<p>Blaine &#8211; yeah it seems to have improved a bit &#8211; hopefully performance will also as the first stat update was pretty terrible. Will give it a bit more time.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaine Moore (Run to Win)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaine Moore (Run to Win)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren, it is serving fairly relevant ads to me.  Two ads from Blogger, and one from blogbinder.com.

However, one thing you should be aware of is that you can&#039;t have _any_ other ads on the page with your YPN ones and be in the TOS.  I haven&#039;t actually read it through since I&#039;ve had some issues with it and never actually was able to get into my account, but when I got called by a yahoo rep on the phone I asked her about other ads and they said while it was in beta you could not have any other form of advertising served in the same page, including a deep link to amazon.  She may have been mistaken; I was so fed up with it I never actually looked into it.  That might be something to be aware of though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren, it is serving fairly relevant ads to me.  Two ads from Blogger, and one from blogbinder.com.</p>
<p>However, one thing you should be aware of is that you can&#8217;t have _any_ other ads on the page with your YPN ones and be in the TOS.  I haven&#8217;t actually read it through since I&#8217;ve had some issues with it and never actually was able to get into my account, but when I got called by a yahoo rep on the phone I asked her about other ads and they said while it was in beta you could not have any other form of advertising served in the same page, including a deep link to amazon.  She may have been mistaken; I was so fed up with it I never actually looked into it.  That might be something to be aware of though.</p>
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