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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>totally understand that pcunix - but these are obviously fake reviews. No pictures of the product, no information that is any deeper than rumors and press release information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally understand that pcunix &#8211; but these are obviously fake reviews. No pictures of the product, no information that is any deeper than rumors and press release information.</p>
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		<title>By: pcunix</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/14/hypocritical-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-161191</link>
		<dc:creator>pcunix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, you can&#039;t necessarily assume that a review of an unreleased product is fake.  I regularly get books to review before they&#039;ve gone to print (in PDF format on CD&#039;s) and I&#039;ve had electronic products shipped to me for review weeks before they went into distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, you can&#8217;t necessarily assume that a review of an unreleased product is fake.  I regularly get books to review before they&#8217;ve gone to print (in PDF format on CD&#8217;s) and I&#8217;ve had electronic products shipped to me for review weeks before they went into distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lloyd - Baz Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Lloyd - Baz Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Are Bloggers Hypocrites?&lt;/strong&gt;

	weren&#8217;t&#039;ve been following a post at Problogger.net about whether bloggers are hypocrites.  This spawns from an article taken from Scobleizer
	Robert start off by reminding us about Marquis two years ago:
	Remember last year when the blogosphere...</description>
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<p>	weren&#8217;t&#8217;ve been following a post at Problogger.net about whether bloggers are hypocrites.  This spawns from an article taken from Scobleizer<br />
	Robert start off by reminding us about Marquis two years ago:<br />
	Remember last year when the blogosphere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/14/hypocritical-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-161027</link>
		<dc:creator>Nils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crux of the issue here is integrity. We expect our media, our newspapers, our tv stations, to be impartial, to be critical, to investigate issues. They don&#039;t really do that as much as they should be. And certainly nobody can expect webloggers to be true investigative journalists. But whether it&#039;s a political story or a product review - the center of the matter is &quot;integrity&quot;. If your readers catch you telling lies, posting a review that turns out to be obviously, wilfully false, or even blatant fakes (the nonexistant camera being an example), they will not trust your weblog again in the future. You&#039;re taking some quick cash and paying for it with a reduced long term potential.

Sure, that&#039;s also a business model. It works in all fields... but I seriously doubt it&#039;s the most efficient one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crux of the issue here is integrity. We expect our media, our newspapers, our tv stations, to be impartial, to be critical, to investigate issues. They don&#8217;t really do that as much as they should be. And certainly nobody can expect webloggers to be true investigative journalists. But whether it&#8217;s a political story or a product review &#8211; the center of the matter is &#8220;integrity&#8221;. If your readers catch you telling lies, posting a review that turns out to be obviously, wilfully false, or even blatant fakes (the nonexistant camera being an example), they will not trust your weblog again in the future. You&#8217;re taking some quick cash and paying for it with a reduced long term potential.</p>
<p>Sure, that&#8217;s also a business model. It works in all fields&#8230; but I seriously doubt it&#8217;s the most efficient one.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/14/hypocritical-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-160875</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me to be simple product placement. Something they&#039;ve been doing in Movies and TV for years. 
Last week in The West Wing, Josh crashes into a Toyota Prius, a car model that is mentioned another 5-10 times throughout the course of the episode. I bet that exact model was never mentioned in the original script, only once the advertising guys got hold of it. Oh, and funnily enough there was a Toyota Prius advert in the break. I didn&#039;t hear anyone freaking out about product placement in that episode.
In newspapers you almost always have &quot;Advertising Feature&quot; pages where the adverts are put together to look like standard articles. It&#039;s your choice as the consumer to spot them and ignore them if you decide to.
It&#039;s only a natural progression that the same type of thing was going to find it&#039;s way into blogs. Responsible blog owners might tell you when it&#039;s an affiliate sell, or a blatant advert that they are writing about, but they&#039;re not required to. It&#039;s their blog and really they can do what they want. It&#039;s your choice as the consumer whether you click on the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me to be simple product placement. Something they&#8217;ve been doing in Movies and TV for years.<br />
Last week in The West Wing, Josh crashes into a Toyota Prius, a car model that is mentioned another 5-10 times throughout the course of the episode. I bet that exact model was never mentioned in the original script, only once the advertising guys got hold of it. Oh, and funnily enough there was a Toyota Prius advert in the break. I didn&#8217;t hear anyone freaking out about product placement in that episode.<br />
In newspapers you almost always have &#8220;Advertising Feature&#8221; pages where the adverts are put together to look like standard articles. It&#8217;s your choice as the consumer to spot them and ignore them if you decide to.<br />
It&#8217;s only a natural progression that the same type of thing was going to find it&#8217;s way into blogs. Responsible blog owners might tell you when it&#8217;s an affiliate sell, or a blatant advert that they are writing about, but they&#8217;re not required to. It&#8217;s their blog and really they can do what they want. It&#8217;s your choice as the consumer whether you click on the link.</p>
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		<title>By: BradFitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>BradFitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Bill, good points.... and believe me I&#039;m not defending it if that&#039;s how it sounded. Nor do I claim any moral highground myself because I still use Adsense. Which is promoting products I don&#039;t know that much about, to make a buck.. I just went into my thoughts a little deeper at my site if you&#039;re interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Bill, good points&#8230;. and believe me I&#8217;m not defending it if that&#8217;s how it sounded. Nor do I claim any moral highground myself because I still use Adsense. Which is promoting products I don&#8217;t know that much about, to make a buck.. I just went into my thoughts a little deeper at my site if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you said it Duncan because sometimes people lose site of that = particularly when it comes to advertising like Adsense.

Anyone who uses Adsense has no certain knowledge of exactly what Google is going to place on your website. Sure you can sometimes aim to get certain ads placed there but there is no guarantees.

And as for schilling with Adsense - mmmmmm I don&#039;t think so. I could write an entry that was highly critical of a company and all Google would see was that company&#039;s name and place their ad if they were in the Adwords program.

So claiming that bloggers who have Adsense on their blogs are in some way selling out, schilling or having less integrity that a blogger who doesn&#039;t is really clutching at straws in an effort to prove how pure they are in the face of all this crass commercialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you said it Duncan because sometimes people lose site of that = particularly when it comes to advertising like Adsense.</p>
<p>Anyone who uses Adsense has no certain knowledge of exactly what Google is going to place on your website. Sure you can sometimes aim to get certain ads placed there but there is no guarantees.</p>
<p>And as for schilling with Adsense &#8211; mmmmmm I don&#8217;t think so. I could write an entry that was highly critical of a company and all Google would see was that company&#8217;s name and place their ad if they were in the Adwords program.</p>
<p>So claiming that bloggers who have Adsense on their blogs are in some way selling out, schilling or having less integrity that a blogger who doesn&#8217;t is really clutching at straws in an effort to prove how pure they are in the face of all this crass commercialism.</p>
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		<title>By: tom sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose this brings out the libertarian in me.  I don&#039;t like advertising, and I certainly don&#039;t like shilling, but ultimately the choice comes down to the consumer.  As Bill said, no one&#039;s forcing you to pull out your wallet.

Advertising is not really about selling us stuff we don&#039;t need, as BradFitz claims.  The best advertising is about connecting trustworthy knowledge (in this case, the recommendation of a trustworthy blogger--you) to the need of a consumer (your reader).  You&#039;re not going to convince someone to buy a camera by way of a Chikita ad.  You&#039;re not even going to convince them to buy a camera with an ad and a great recommendation.  You need the confluence of the opportunity, the information, and the consumer need.

In any case, this issue addresses the &quot;information&quot; or &quot;knowledge&quot; portion of that equation, and in that respect, Michael&#039;s got it spot-on: set up your rules beforehand and stick to them.

BTW, this is my first comment on this blog.  You&#039;ve got good stuff here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose this brings out the libertarian in me.  I don&#8217;t like advertising, and I certainly don&#8217;t like shilling, but ultimately the choice comes down to the consumer.  As Bill said, no one&#8217;s forcing you to pull out your wallet.</p>
<p>Advertising is not really about selling us stuff we don&#8217;t need, as BradFitz claims.  The best advertising is about connecting trustworthy knowledge (in this case, the recommendation of a trustworthy blogger&#8211;you) to the need of a consumer (your reader).  You&#8217;re not going to convince someone to buy a camera by way of a Chikita ad.  You&#8217;re not even going to convince them to buy a camera with an ad and a great recommendation.  You need the confluence of the opportunity, the information, and the consumer need.</p>
<p>In any case, this issue addresses the &#8220;information&#8221; or &#8220;knowledge&#8221; portion of that equation, and in that respect, Michael&#8217;s got it spot-on: set up your rules beforehand and stick to them.</p>
<p>BTW, this is my first comment on this blog.  You&#8217;ve got good stuff here.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a world of difference between writing a post and being paid for it, and writing a post that is accompanied by an ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a world of difference between writing a post and being paid for it, and writing a post that is accompanied by an ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Peschel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Peschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The whole point of advertising is to sell us stuff we don’t need.&quot;

Ummm, not 100% correct. Did I need to see &quot;Corpse Bride?&quot; Did I need to know &quot;Madagascar&quot; is out on DVD this week at MediaPlay? Or that Staples was discounting 50-packs of blank CDs?

Sure, advertising is out there that tries to prey on your weaknesses, your desire for status, your desire to get laid, your insecurities. But no one makes you pull out your wallet.

&quot;So to try and find the morale high-ground in bloggers’ advertising programs seems pointless because everyone compromises something to make a buck. &quot;

&#039;Everybody does it&#039; is what children use to justify their actions. The adult response is &#039;that doesn&#039;t matter. It&#039;s still wrong.&#039; 

If you want to be more practical about this bit of morality, not only is it wrong, it rats you out. Sure, you can fake your way through blogging positively about a product you don&#039;t believe in (or didn&#039;t even see), but you&#039;d have to be a darn good liar to pass, and most people just aren&#039;t that good. And heaven helps you if you get ratted out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The whole point of advertising is to sell us stuff we don’t need.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm, not 100% correct. Did I need to see &#8220;Corpse Bride?&#8221; Did I need to know &#8220;Madagascar&#8221; is out on DVD this week at MediaPlay? Or that Staples was discounting 50-packs of blank CDs?</p>
<p>Sure, advertising is out there that tries to prey on your weaknesses, your desire for status, your desire to get laid, your insecurities. But no one makes you pull out your wallet.</p>
<p>&#8220;So to try and find the morale high-ground in bloggers’ advertising programs seems pointless because everyone compromises something to make a buck. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Everybody does it&#8217; is what children use to justify their actions. The adult response is &#8216;that doesn&#8217;t matter. It&#8217;s still wrong.&#8217; </p>
<p>If you want to be more practical about this bit of morality, not only is it wrong, it rats you out. Sure, you can fake your way through blogging positively about a product you don&#8217;t believe in (or didn&#8217;t even see), but you&#8217;d have to be a darn good liar to pass, and most people just aren&#8217;t that good. And heaven helps you if you get ratted out.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been doing lots of thinking about this too, and I think it all comes down to one thing:

If you set up your standards or rules in advance, and stick to your rules, your audience will respect you. If you change the rules midstream, your audience starts to wonder what&#039;s going on.

I&#039;ve seen lots of sites criticised for adding advertising AFTER establishing an audience, and that&#039;s why I start mine with ads from day one. I have standards - there will be ads, they&#039;ll be clearly labeled, and they won&#039;t affect my content.

It&#039;s just like the issue of allowing links in comments - set your standards and stick to them. If people still complain, it&#039;s their problem and they can go elsewhere.

Also: know your audience. Darren can ad a new kind of ad here (Chikita) and the reception is good - we&#039;re at a commercial site that talks about making money, we expect it. There are still sites out there that would offend their audience greatly even by running Adsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been doing lots of thinking about this too, and I think it all comes down to one thing:</p>
<p>If you set up your standards or rules in advance, and stick to your rules, your audience will respect you. If you change the rules midstream, your audience starts to wonder what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen lots of sites criticised for adding advertising AFTER establishing an audience, and that&#8217;s why I start mine with ads from day one. I have standards &#8211; there will be ads, they&#8217;ll be clearly labeled, and they won&#8217;t affect my content.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like the issue of allowing links in comments &#8211; set your standards and stick to them. If people still complain, it&#8217;s their problem and they can go elsewhere.</p>
<p>Also: know your audience. Darren can ad a new kind of ad here (Chikita) and the reception is good &#8211; we&#8217;re at a commercial site that talks about making money, we expect it. There are still sites out there that would offend their audience greatly even by running Adsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah - i should clarify that I disagree with the camera sales guy&#039;s approach (in fact he does too but he&#039;s getting pressure from the boss). I only use it as an illustration of a similar temptation that some fall into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah &#8211; i should clarify that I disagree with the camera sales guy&#8217;s approach (in fact he does too but he&#8217;s getting pressure from the boss). I only use it as an illustration of a similar temptation that some fall into.</p>
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		<title>By: BradFitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>BradFitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some nice points here Darren. The whole point of advertising is to sell us stuff we don&#039;t need. If we needed something we&#039;d already have it or know where to find it.  So to try and find the morale high-ground in bloggers&#039; advertising programs seems pointless because everyone compromises something to make a buck.  

Although I don&#039;t agree with camera salesmen that sell inferior products to fatten their commissions, I think the bigger culprits are salesmen that capitalize on people&#039;s fears. Whole-life insurance anyone?? How about the Patriot Act? 

But I&#039;m straying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some nice points here Darren. The whole point of advertising is to sell us stuff we don&#8217;t need. If we needed something we&#8217;d already have it or know where to find it.  So to try and find the morale high-ground in bloggers&#8217; advertising programs seems pointless because everyone compromises something to make a buck.  </p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t agree with camera salesmen that sell inferior products to fatten their commissions, I think the bigger culprits are salesmen that capitalize on people&#8217;s fears. Whole-life insurance anyone?? How about the Patriot Act? </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m straying.</p>
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