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		<title>By: Prathik Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prathik Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She has pointed it out right, I wonder what happened after the new adsensee update</description>
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		<title>By: Publisher Uses Multiple AdSense Accounts to Increase Earnings: ProBlogger Blog Tips</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-232614</link>
		<dc:creator>Publisher Uses Multiple AdSense Accounts to Increase Earnings: ProBlogger Blog Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A number of months ago it was revealed that if you use AdSense on multiple sites all from one AdSense account that the performance of one blog can impact the way AdSense converts on another blog. Up until this point it was thought that &#8216;Smart Pricing&#8217; was on a site by site (or even page by page) basis but this news caused quite a stir. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A number of months ago it was revealed that if you use AdSense on multiple sites all from one AdSense account that the performance of one blog can impact the way AdSense converts on another blog. Up until this point it was thought that &#8216;Smart Pricing&#8217; was on a site by site (or even page by page) basis but this news caused quite a stir. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adsense talks about the Facts of Smart Pricing: Blog Tips at ProBlogger</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149900</link>
		<dc:creator>Adsense talks about the Facts of Smart Pricing: Blog Tips at ProBlogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The team at Adsense have responded to some of the recent talk about Smart Pricing by writing a post on their blog on the topic. Their main points are:   1. Many factors determine the price of an ad 2. Clickthrough rate doesn&#8217;t affect advertiser return on investment (ROI) 3. Google doesn&#8217;t make money from &#8217;smart pricing&#8217; 4. Remember the old chestnut: &#8220;Content is King&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The team at Adsense have responded to some of the recent talk about Smart Pricing by writing a post on their blog on the topic. Their main points are:   1. Many factors determine the price of an ad 2. Clickthrough rate doesn&#8217;t affect advertiser return on investment (ROI) 3. Google doesn&#8217;t make money from &#8217;smart pricing&#8217; 4. Remember the old chestnut: &#8220;Content is King&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149888</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that is contrary to everything that is beeing said around. Is he lying / uninformed or is this all a fuzz about nothing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that is contrary to everything that is beeing said around. Is he lying / uninformed or is this all a fuzz about nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149795</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a contact with Google confirm that one of your sites running Adsense &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt; affect the other sites under the same account. If you were to drop ads from an underperforming site the income on a good performing site wouldn&#039;t magically go up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a contact with Google confirm that one of your sites running Adsense <strong>does not</strong> affect the other sites under the same account. If you were to drop ads from an underperforming site the income on a good performing site wouldn&#8217;t magically go up.</p>
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		<title>By: wallybob</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149708</link>
		<dc:creator>wallybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been increasingly frustrated by the fact that Google seems to do TOO good of a job keeping information to itself.  As an Adsense publisher I see fluctuations in earnings on a daily basis - some are quite drastic in fact.  But I am largely left to wonder if this is a natural increase/decrease in advertiser spending or something that I have control over.  

Now Adsense has competition with YPN, Chitika and others.  I am testing both YPN and Chitika on my sites and will soon make a decision about which sites I keep Adsense on.  Common sense tells me that unless the dollars are significatntly better with Adsense I&#039;m better off working with an ad system that allows me more control and information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been increasingly frustrated by the fact that Google seems to do TOO good of a job keeping information to itself.  As an Adsense publisher I see fluctuations in earnings on a daily basis &#8211; some are quite drastic in fact.  But I am largely left to wonder if this is a natural increase/decrease in advertiser spending or something that I have control over.  </p>
<p>Now Adsense has competition with YPN, Chitika and others.  I am testing both YPN and Chitika on my sites and will soon make a decision about which sites I keep Adsense on.  Common sense tells me that unless the dollars are significatntly better with Adsense I&#8217;m better off working with an ad system that allows me more control and information.</p>
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		<title>By: AdMoolah News and Views &#187; AdSense Smart Pricing Rumors</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdMoolah News and Views &#187; AdSense Smart Pricing Rumors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Additional commentary about this can be found at JenSense and ProBlogger. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hagrin</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149626</link>
		<dc:creator>hagrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus - 

I had the same exact performance happen to me as well.  My index.php performed well.  I then added AdSense code to my phpBB forum pages and watched my CTR drop like a rock.  I removed the ads from my forums and watched the numbers return to normal.

To me, this was disturbing.  My forums generate the most dynamic contact reaching a far range of topics and to have to eliminate AdSense from these pages was upsetting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus &#8211; </p>
<p>I had the same exact performance happen to me as well.  My index.php performed well.  I then added AdSense code to my phpBB forum pages and watched my CTR drop like a rock.  I removed the ads from my forums and watched the numbers return to normal.</p>
<p>To me, this was disturbing.  My forums generate the most dynamic contact reaching a far range of topics and to have to eliminate AdSense from these pages was upsetting.</p>
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		<title>By: Things That ... Make You Go Hmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things That ... Make You Go Hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Adsense rumoured smart pricing&lt;/strong&gt;

	This smart pricing stuff is interesting if it is true. It&#8217;s not official information, it&#8217;s coming third hand, so keep this in mind.  The basic gist is that pay per click values from Adsense have an adjustment factor controlled by the quali...</description>
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<p>	This smart pricing stuff is interesting if it is true. It&#8217;s not official information, it&#8217;s coming third hand, so keep this in mind.  The basic gist is that pay per click values from Adsense have an adjustment factor controlled by the quali&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Search Engine Roundtable</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149609</link>
		<dc:creator>Search Engine Roundtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;1 Stinker Can Kill You With Smart Pricing&lt;/strong&gt;

Since its introduction in the Adsense program, Google has not been forthcoming with any details on how Smart Pricing actually works (to the chagrin of many publishers!). Jenstar however reports on some details that one publisher got from Googles suppor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>1 Stinker Can Kill You With Smart Pricing</strong></p>
<p>Since its introduction in the Adsense program, Google has not been forthcoming with any details on how Smart Pricing actually works (to the chagrin of many publishers!). Jenstar however reports on some details that one publisher got from Googles suppor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Athomemama</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149605</link>
		<dc:creator>Athomemama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My adsense CTR is up, and my overall revenue is up, but the actual price I am now getting paid is abysmal.  It just dropped this month.  I guess it&#039;s not just me.  They must be averaging across all my sites.  I dropped YPN this month on the only site I was running it on, an underperforming one, and I  guess that&#039;s why the rate decreased.  I tell you, that really stinks.  You shouldn&#039;t be penalized on one site because another one has a low pay rate.  That doesn&#039;t even make sense...

With my traffic increase this month, I should have made pretty well, but when the actual price you&#039;re being paid per click is almost negative ::grin:: it would take 8X the visitors I am getting now to make a decent living at it.

Ugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My adsense CTR is up, and my overall revenue is up, but the actual price I am now getting paid is abysmal.  It just dropped this month.  I guess it&#8217;s not just me.  They must be averaging across all my sites.  I dropped YPN this month on the only site I was running it on, an underperforming one, and I  guess that&#8217;s why the rate decreased.  I tell you, that really stinks.  You shouldn&#8217;t be penalized on one site because another one has a low pay rate.  That doesn&#8217;t even make sense&#8230;</p>
<p>With my traffic increase this month, I should have made pretty well, but when the actual price you&#8217;re being paid per click is almost negative ::grin:: it would take 8X the visitors I am getting now to make a decent living at it.</p>
<p>Ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149603</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little off topic---What tools do you guys use to track Adsense?  I&#039;m thinking of using AdsenseTracker.  Any comments on that software or do you use another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little off topic&#8212;What tools do you guys use to track Adsense?  I&#8217;m thinking of using AdsenseTracker.  Any comments on that software or do you use another?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149602</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little off topic---What tools do you guys use to track Adsense?  I&#039;m thinking of using AdsenseTracker.  Any comments on that software or do you use another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little off topic&#8212;What tools do you guys use to track Adsense?  I&#8217;m thinking of using AdsenseTracker.  Any comments on that software or do you use another?</p>
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		<title>By: fivecentnickel.com</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149588</link>
		<dc:creator>fivecentnickel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart: While it may make sense for Google to pay a publisher less whenever possible (although that&#039;s not necessarily so, as they need to keep publishers in the network), my impression is that they also *charge* less for clicks affected by the smart pricing. Thus, it&#039;s a lose-lose proposition (from a cost/payout standpoint) for them to adjust click prices down without a really good reason. Of course, things are never as simple as they seem, and Google does stand to gain from reducing click prices in that this practive will keep their advertising customers from jumping ship if they&#039;re getting a bunch of low value clicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart: While it may make sense for Google to pay a publisher less whenever possible (although that&#8217;s not necessarily so, as they need to keep publishers in the network), my impression is that they also *charge* less for clicks affected by the smart pricing. Thus, it&#8217;s a lose-lose proposition (from a cost/payout standpoint) for them to adjust click prices down without a really good reason. Of course, things are never as simple as they seem, and Google does stand to gain from reducing click prices in that this practive will keep their advertising customers from jumping ship if they&#8217;re getting a bunch of low value clicks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149587</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last month I had ads on most of the forum pages on the biggest site I run that uses Adsense. The other place I had them was on the front page of the site which is similar to a blog and gets far fewer hits than the forums but has always made the highest revenues.

This month I took adsense off the forums and left the front page ad in the same place. Not only did the front page ad perform better, but it outperformed what the forums were doing before by almost double. 

I&#039;m not sure the exact significance of this, but it does seem to corroborate some of what you found out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last month I had ads on most of the forum pages on the biggest site I run that uses Adsense. The other place I had them was on the front page of the site which is similar to a blog and gets far fewer hits than the forums but has always made the highest revenues.</p>
<p>This month I took adsense off the forums and left the front page ad in the same place. Not only did the front page ad perform better, but it outperformed what the forums were doing before by almost double. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure the exact significance of this, but it does seem to corroborate some of what you found out.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149583</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very strange.  I too have been suffering in this last month from VERY poorly targeted ads from AdSense.  Up until October, they were quite good and I was making a steady income from them.  Then the ad targeting went to heck.  I was getting PSA&#039;s for some reason, which never happened before.  People were being asked to join the police force in Georgia on my site about video cards.  Sure, there might have been some future policemen visiting my site, but I feel like maybe not so many as might have been interested in things like.... ohhhh... say.... video cards.  In the last couple of days, the targeting has improved slightly, though not to the level it was at pre-October.  

It&#039;s been very frustrating to me, especially since the eMiniMalls allow me to specify keywords via code and those ads are perfectly targeted and making two to three times what the AdSense ads are making for me, even though due to limitations in blogger, I can&#039;t place them down amongst my content where they would really shine.  

I dunno why Google can&#039;t do that.  And I am annoyed at them for giving so little control to the publishers.  And on top of that, I too am frustrated with the lack of understanding about how they work.  Some days, I see my earnings at one level, and then see them lower later in the day for some reason.  One would think that additional clicks would cause your earnings to go up, rather than down.  But alas, that is not always the case.  Something fishy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very strange.  I too have been suffering in this last month from VERY poorly targeted ads from AdSense.  Up until October, they were quite good and I was making a steady income from them.  Then the ad targeting went to heck.  I was getting PSA&#8217;s for some reason, which never happened before.  People were being asked to join the police force in Georgia on my site about video cards.  Sure, there might have been some future policemen visiting my site, but I feel like maybe not so many as might have been interested in things like&#8230;. ohhhh&#8230; say&#8230;. video cards.  In the last couple of days, the targeting has improved slightly, though not to the level it was at pre-October.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been very frustrating to me, especially since the eMiniMalls allow me to specify keywords via code and those ads are perfectly targeted and making two to three times what the AdSense ads are making for me, even though due to limitations in blogger, I can&#8217;t place them down amongst my content where they would really shine.  </p>
<p>I dunno why Google can&#8217;t do that.  And I am annoyed at them for giving so little control to the publishers.  And on top of that, I too am frustrated with the lack of understanding about how they work.  Some days, I see my earnings at one level, and then see them lower later in the day for some reason.  One would think that additional clicks would cause your earnings to go up, rather than down.  But alas, that is not always the case.  Something fishy.</p>
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		<title>By: Basic Thinking Blog &#187; Google AdSense: Smart Pricing</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149581</link>
		<dc:creator>Basic Thinking Blog &#187; Google AdSense: Smart Pricing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Es kann also sehr wichtig sein, einen weiteren AdSense Account zu haben. Einen für gut performende Seiten und einen für schlecht performende Seiten, damit diese einen nicht die Guten herunterziehen. Weiteres dazu bei Problogger und Threadwatch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Es kann also sehr wichtig sein, einen weiteren AdSense Account zu haben. Einen für gut performende Seiten und einen für schlecht performende Seiten, damit diese einen nicht die Guten herunterziehen. Weiteres dazu bei Problogger und Threadwatch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Duarte</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/10/26/adsense-dumb-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-149580</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Duarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I’m very much looking forward to seeing how YPN performs when they finally let non US publishers in on the action”

My comment: I just fear you won’t get interesting results in non-usa contries – since the ads will be less geographically targeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’m very much looking forward to seeing how YPN performs when they finally let non US publishers in on the action”</p>
<p>My comment: I just fear you won’t get interesting results in non-usa contries – since the ads will be less geographically targeted.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Duarte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Duarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your sentence: “I’m very much looking forward to seeing how YPN performs when they finally let non US publishers in on the action (...)”

My comment: I just fear you won’t get interesting results in non-usa contries – since the ads will be less geographically targeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your sentence: “I’m very much looking forward to seeing how YPN performs when they finally let non US publishers in on the action (&#8230;)”</p>
<p>My comment: I just fear you won’t get interesting results in non-usa contries – since the ads will be less geographically targeted.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to take this with a huge grain of salt, as it&#039;s at least third-hand:

 1. AdSense &quot;support team member&quot; 
 2. The publisher he was talking to
 3. JenSense

On top of that, the AdSense rep in #1 was making a call trying to convince someone to switch back from YPN to AdSense. I know Google&#039;s non-evil credo should prohibit it, but It&#039;s a rare salesman who won&#039;t make up a few &quot;facts&quot; in order to keep a conversation going with a lead.

Personally, I&#039;m inclined to doubt it because it doesn&#039;t make any sense to Google. Accounts are meaningless, any valid optimization should focus on sites. Advertisers&#039; costs shouldn&#039;t change just because I sell a site to you and you put your AdSense code on it.

It&#039;s sure a shame that third-hand rumors like this are the closest thing we get to facts about AdSense, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to take this with a huge grain of salt, as it&#8217;s at least third-hand:</p>
<p> 1. AdSense &#8220;support team member&#8221;<br />
 2. The publisher he was talking to<br />
 3. JenSense</p>
<p>On top of that, the AdSense rep in #1 was making a call trying to convince someone to switch back from YPN to AdSense. I know Google&#8217;s non-evil credo should prohibit it, but It&#8217;s a rare salesman who won&#8217;t make up a few &#8220;facts&#8221; in order to keep a conversation going with a lead.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m inclined to doubt it because it doesn&#8217;t make any sense to Google. Accounts are meaningless, any valid optimization should focus on sites. Advertisers&#8217; costs shouldn&#8217;t change just because I sell a site to you and you put your AdSense code on it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sure a shame that third-hand rumors like this are the closest thing we get to facts about AdSense, though&#8230;</p>
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