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		<title>By: Neezar</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-2/#comment-221006</link>
		<dc:creator>Neezar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice tips Dude!
Simple but Important.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice tips Dude!<br />
Simple but Important.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: AmBlogger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ProBlogger talks to AmBlogger!</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-2/#comment-220200</link>
		<dc:creator>AmBlogger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ProBlogger talks to AmBlogger!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Using Other People’s Content [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miho</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-2/#comment-161988</link>
		<dc:creator>Miho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet business is a very creative work, isn&#039;t it ?
I&#039;m always careful to be original and creative when I make my website and blog. But  it&#039;s  hard work for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet business is a very creative work, isn&#8217;t it ?<br />
I&#8217;m always careful to be original and creative when I make my website and blog. But  it&#8217;s  hard work for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Freedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren, you did say it was a rant, so it must have at least felt good, but I&#039;d be more interested in effectiveness.  Who do you think you&#039;re ranting to?  People who already agree with you.  The ones who steal religiously will never read what you just wrote and wouldn&#039;t care anyways.

And for that matter, it completely leaves the realm of objectivity because there are *grey* areas that might never occur to average minds in which otherwise good people can be accused of doing something illicit.  If that were the case, then your witch hunt would be just as much of a crime as the alleged incident.

Sam
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sam-freedom.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the coolest guy on the planet&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren, you did say it was a rant, so it must have at least felt good, but I&#8217;d be more interested in effectiveness.  Who do you think you&#8217;re ranting to?  People who already agree with you.  The ones who steal religiously will never read what you just wrote and wouldn&#8217;t care anyways.</p>
<p>And for that matter, it completely leaves the realm of objectivity because there are *grey* areas that might never occur to average minds in which otherwise good people can be accused of doing something illicit.  If that were the case, then your witch hunt would be just as much of a crime as the alleged incident.</p>
<p>Sam<br />
<a href="http://www.sam-freedom.com" rel="nofollow">the coolest guy on the planet</a></p>
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		<title>By: QuickBits: September 16, 2005 : Internet Home Business :: HomeOfficeVoice</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuickBits: September 16, 2005 : Internet Home Business :: HomeOfficeVoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What a wild and whacky week it&#8217;s been in the blogosphere. The laidback style of life that is professional blogging errupted this week when the issue of content theft and referencing was raised - here, here, here and here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What a wild and whacky week it&#8217;s been in the blogosphere. The laidback style of life that is professional blogging errupted this week when the issue of content theft and referencing was raised &#8211; here, here, here and here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Content Theft? Please, Tell Me What You Think About This&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-2/#comment-122098</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Content Theft? Please, Tell Me What You Think About This&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Darren Rowse at ProBlogger who&#8217;s received 50 comments on his post as of this writing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Darren Rowse at ProBlogger who&#8217;s received 50 comments on his post as of this writing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-121371</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Mast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren, ProBlogger is hosted under a similiar CC license that allows the same thing. Did you realize that? I sure didn&#039;t think about it when I licensed my content as CC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren, ProBlogger is hosted under a similiar CC license that allows the same thing. Did you realize that? I sure didn&#8217;t think about it when I licensed my content as CC.</p>
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		<title>By: arzan</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-121324</link>
		<dc:creator>arzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do review my site.

Thanks

arZan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do review my site.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>arZan</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-121234</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>technically if you say people can use your posts in a creative commons like that for non commercial purposes - they can use your content for non commercial purposes. I still think it&#039;s a bit cheeky though. Perhaps email him and ask him to make it just an excerpt post if you&#039;re worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>technically if you say people can use your posts in a creative commons like that for non commercial purposes &#8211; they can use your content for non commercial purposes. I still think it&#8217;s a bit cheeky though. Perhaps email him and ask him to make it just an excerpt post if you&#8217;re worried.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-121183</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Mast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One final question before I quit blabbing (at least until someone responds.. *grin*)... How do aggregators such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anabaptist.co.uk/aggregator.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; figure into this discussion? How should they be treated? I am great with this aggregator... it has no ads and is run by a (new) aquaintance of mine. It has also driven some traffic to my blog (not much, but it&#039;s very targeted (fellow Mennonites/Anabaptists) traffic that is more likely to generate a regular reader). I noticed that this guy that runs the aggregator, Graham, has asked other blogs before adding them to the aggregator. I was one of the first blogs on the aggregator and thus he didn&#039;t ask me (he probably started doing that at some point after asking me).

Sorry for the disorgranized info... some thoughts on the subject would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One final question before I quit blabbing (at least until someone responds.. *grin*)&#8230; How do aggregators such as <a href="http://www.anabaptist.co.uk/aggregator.php" rel="nofollow">this one</a> figure into this discussion? How should they be treated? I am great with this aggregator&#8230; it has no ads and is run by a (new) aquaintance of mine. It has also driven some traffic to my blog (not much, but it&#8217;s very targeted (fellow Mennonites/Anabaptists) traffic that is more likely to generate a regular reader). I noticed that this guy that runs the aggregator, Graham, has asked other blogs before adding them to the aggregator. I was one of the first blogs on the aggregator and thus he didn&#8217;t ask me (he probably started doing that at some point after asking me).</p>
<p>Sorry for the disorgranized info&#8230; some thoughts on the subject would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-121180</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Mast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, Darren, I love your blog and read every post as soon as I see it in my Thunderbird RSS feed reader. Great job!

Back to this Creative Commons thing: I noticed Darren also licenses ProBlogger under CC. I like the &quot;Share Alike&quot; clause and will be changing my license to include that.

However, I&#039;m wondering if the blog that took my post, referenced in my previous comment, may be all right in doing so. CC says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;You are free:

    * to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work
    * to make derivative works&lt;/blockquote&gt;

as long as you attribute and it&#039;s non-commercial. This blog that took my post has no ads on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, Darren, I love your blog and read every post as soon as I see it in my Thunderbird RSS feed reader. Great job!</p>
<p>Back to this Creative Commons thing: I noticed Darren also licenses ProBlogger under CC. I like the &#8220;Share Alike&#8221; clause and will be changing my license to include that.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m wondering if the blog that took my post, referenced in my previous comment, may be all right in doing so. CC says:</p>
<blockquote><p>You are free:</p>
<p>    * to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work<br />
    * to make derivative works</p></blockquote>
<p>as long as you attribute and it&#8217;s non-commercial. This blog that took my post has no ads on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-121179</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Mast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all! I would love some advice. Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogranger.typepad.com/gwn/2005/09/more_on_katrina.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this blog&lt;/a&gt; taking &lt;a href=&quot;http://hansmast.com/index.php?title=more_on_katrina&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post&lt;/a&gt;. What should/n&#039;t I do? He linked, but yet he took the whole article.

Another question: Is it relevant that I have my blog licensed under &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creative Commons&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all! I would love some advice. Check out <a href="http://blogranger.typepad.com/gwn/2005/09/more_on_katrina.html" rel="nofollow">this blog</a> taking <a href="http://hansmast.com/index.php?title=more_on_katrina&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1" rel="nofollow">my post</a>. What should/n&#8217;t I do? He linked, but yet he took the whole article.</p>
<p>Another question: Is it relevant that I have my blog licensed under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/" rel="nofollow">Creative Commons</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m a little late to the party, but wanted to start off by saying, there is a reason why it&#039;s called PROblogger. 

Last time I checked, for a pro blogger, there blog IS a BUSINESS. And Darren is giving out tips how to make money from your blog. So of course, the majority of posts here will be concerned with that. 

Like Darren says, stay on topic, that&#039;s what he&#039;s doing. 

Personally, I don&#039;t mind blunt and I think it&#039;s important to hear how things really are because the real world is not pretty or kind to fools or thieves. 

Darren calls it like it is, simple as that. Can&#039;t ask for much more. 

P.S. And before someone tells me I&#039;m being an apologist for Darren, I&#039;m working from what I&#039;ve learned from my own blogging and how people react. I can tell you that very few people are as generous with their time and advice as Darren is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m a little late to the party, but wanted to start off by saying, there is a reason why it&#8217;s called PROblogger. </p>
<p>Last time I checked, for a pro blogger, there blog IS a BUSINESS. And Darren is giving out tips how to make money from your blog. So of course, the majority of posts here will be concerned with that. </p>
<p>Like Darren says, stay on topic, that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s doing. </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t mind blunt and I think it&#8217;s important to hear how things really are because the real world is not pretty or kind to fools or thieves. </p>
<p>Darren calls it like it is, simple as that. Can&#8217;t ask for much more. </p>
<p>P.S. And before someone tells me I&#8217;m being an apologist for Darren, I&#8217;m working from what I&#8217;ve learned from my own blogging and how people react. I can tell you that very few people are as generous with their time and advice as Darren is.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Merrett</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120969</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Merrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan has replied to me personally resolving several issues that I raised here, on BlogHerald, and on my blog.

Whilst I don&#039;t think everything has been resolved (see my final, final post on this matter at my blog!) I thank you, Duncan, for doing this.

That&#039;s all I wanted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan has replied to me personally resolving several issues that I raised here, on BlogHerald, and on my blog.</p>
<p>Whilst I don&#8217;t think everything has been resolved (see my final, final post on this matter at my blog!) I thank you, Duncan, for doing this.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I wanted!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Merrett</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120920</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Merrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm I think I&#039;m in danger of being censored here, too...

All I&#039;m saying is that there were AP stories printed in full. Though some would say otherwise, I see this as a valid point of discussion oon a topic about referencing / use of other&#039;s content.

I really didn&#039;t start this out as a personal vendetta against anyone in particular. All I did was highlight an area where I believe someone did a very similar thing to that which they were complaining about.

I don&#039;t use public forums to pick personal fights for their own sake. It&#039;s not me that has brought irrelevant issues into this important argument. I asked a simple question (deleted from source) which got someone&#039;s back up. All it needed was a simple answer.

Certain sections talking about &#039;relevance deprivation syndrome&#039; is just a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm I think I&#8217;m in danger of being censored here, too&#8230;</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that there were AP stories printed in full. Though some would say otherwise, I see this as a valid point of discussion oon a topic about referencing / use of other&#8217;s content.</p>
<p>I really didn&#8217;t start this out as a personal vendetta against anyone in particular. All I did was highlight an area where I believe someone did a very similar thing to that which they were complaining about.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use public forums to pick personal fights for their own sake. It&#8217;s not me that has brought irrelevant issues into this important argument. I asked a simple question (deleted from source) which got someone&#8217;s back up. All it needed was a simple answer.</p>
<p>Certain sections talking about &#8216;relevance deprivation syndrome&#8217; is just a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: HART</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120915</link>
		<dc:creator>HART</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cary .. that is unbelievable - How is he doing that? He&#039;s not copying it - it&#039;s actually your site being pulled into the bottom frame. He disabled his code, but if you go back to the root directory - it appears that his google adsense account is pub-8062494168945854 .. if that helps to get this guy! While your site is in the bottom frame under his url - it is using your google adsense account ending in ..7723 .. I wonder if that puts you more at risk? 

PS: while I&#039;m here looking at Post #36 .. was that manually posted in here? Or, is there some wordpress script that retrieves posts that links this permanent link? It&#039;s been driving me nuts for a few days :-\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cary .. that is unbelievable &#8211; How is he doing that? He&#8217;s not copying it &#8211; it&#8217;s actually your site being pulled into the bottom frame. He disabled his code, but if you go back to the root directory &#8211; it appears that his google adsense account is pub-8062494168945854 .. if that helps to get this guy! While your site is in the bottom frame under his url &#8211; it is using your google adsense account ending in ..7723 .. I wonder if that puts you more at risk? </p>
<p>PS: while I&#8217;m here looking at Post #36 .. was that manually posted in here? Or, is there some wordpress script that retrieves posts that links this permanent link? It&#8217;s been driving me nuts for a few days :-\</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120904</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come on fellas - take it outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come on fellas &#8211; take it outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Merrett</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120815</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Merrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you&#039;re the same John, John :)

I&#039;m talking about taking complete Associated Press stories from other sites (who have the right to reprint).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re the same John, John :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about taking complete Associated Press stories from other sites (who have the right to reprint).</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120813</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What charge has been made against me dude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What charge has been made against me dude?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Merrett</title>
		<link>http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/09/14/using-other-peoples-content/comment-page-1/#comment-120756</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Merrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;m not going to link to the twit who’s calling me a racists because he is desperately suffering from relevance deprevation syndrome&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK Duncan if you say so.

You still haven&#039;t answered the charge made against you, or your guest blogger John.

I have no problem with articles recommending best practice for writing, and exposing content misuse; Darren&#039;s post is fine. I do take issue with people who angrily oppose such practices yet do the same things themselves.

I won&#039;t split hairs here over &#039;racism&#039; etc. as it&#039;s not relevant (funnily enough) to the actual issue. I&#039;d be happy to debate at length in a more appropriate forum such issues.

And I don&#039;t expect links Duncan. I didn&#039;t ask for them in the first place, and as you&#039;ve culled my comments, it shouldn&#039;t be an issue for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>m not going to link to the twit who’s calling me a racists because he is desperately suffering from relevance deprevation syndrome</p></blockquote>
<p>OK Duncan if you say so.</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t answered the charge made against you, or your guest blogger John.</p>
<p>I have no problem with articles recommending best practice for writing, and exposing content misuse; Darren&#8217;s post is fine. I do take issue with people who angrily oppose such practices yet do the same things themselves.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t split hairs here over &#8216;racism&#8217; etc. as it&#8217;s not relevant (funnily enough) to the actual issue. I&#8217;d be happy to debate at length in a more appropriate forum such issues.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t expect links Duncan. I didn&#8217;t ask for them in the first place, and as you&#8217;ve culled my comments, it shouldn&#8217;t be an issue for you.</p>
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