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		<title>By: James Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 05:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate what you&#039;re saying guys, some of the papers are pretty heavy stuff (and I say this with experience as I have trouble rereading my own for my presentation :o)

There is actually a pretty simple reason behind this, however, although you&#039;re quite right that it could be avoided through an alternative approach (&amp; I like the one Darren has suggested over at the blog!)

Anyway, being obtuse again ;o), we&#039;re academics (read low salary) and the conference wouldn&#039;t be happening without the underwriting of UTS (who at the moment stand to lose money... gulp) and consequently we have to

a. get peoples institutions to fund them to come an present
b. get peoples institutions to fund them to go
c. put on a conference that meets the &#039;rigorous&#039; standards that UTS expect

In order for people to get funding to go as presenters they need to have their paper blind referred by at least two people to make it eligible for DEST points (these determine a lot of the funding the institutions get)... also in order for people to be supported to just attend they need to be seen to be going to a conference with full DEST credentials.

So, meet UTS standards &amp; to get people along we have to pitch it at this level.

Plus most of our networks are in academia.

(and the CYC is surprisingly affordable, but please don&#039;t tell anyone that either :o)

The one point I do disagree with is your comment about the invited speakers... firstly, c&#039;mon... why did you snip &quot;when it comes to blogs.&quot; off the end of your quote and secondly, I didn&#039;t claim they were inclusive or representative... just that they are some of the most well respected / knowledgeable people in this area.

And also, lets be fair, are you seriously asking for a conference that fits everyone&#039;s needs? In two days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate what you&#8217;re saying guys, some of the papers are pretty heavy stuff (and I say this with experience as I have trouble rereading my own for my presentation :o)</p>
<p>There is actually a pretty simple reason behind this, however, although you&#8217;re quite right that it could be avoided through an alternative approach (&amp; I like the one Darren has suggested over at the blog!)</p>
<p>Anyway, being obtuse again ;o), we&#8217;re academics (read low salary) and the conference wouldn&#8217;t be happening without the underwriting of UTS (who at the moment stand to lose money&#8230; gulp) and consequently we have to</p>
<p>a. get peoples institutions to fund them to come an present<br />
b. get peoples institutions to fund them to go<br />
c. put on a conference that meets the &#8216;rigorous&#8217; standards that UTS expect</p>
<p>In order for people to get funding to go as presenters they need to have their paper blind referred by at least two people to make it eligible for DEST points (these determine a lot of the funding the institutions get)&#8230; also in order for people to be supported to just attend they need to be seen to be going to a conference with full DEST credentials.</p>
<p>So, meet UTS standards &amp; to get people along we have to pitch it at this level.</p>
<p>Plus most of our networks are in academia.</p>
<p>(and the CYC is surprisingly affordable, but please don&#8217;t tell anyone that either :o)</p>
<p>The one point I do disagree with is your comment about the invited speakers&#8230; firstly, c&#8217;mon&#8230; why did you snip &#8220;when it comes to blogs.&#8221; off the end of your quote and secondly, I didn&#8217;t claim they were inclusive or representative&#8230; just that they are some of the most well respected / knowledgeable people in this area.</p>
<p>And also, lets be fair, are you seriously asking for a conference that fits everyone&#8217;s needs? In two days?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 04:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your sentiments, Blog Talk seems pitched at an &quot;intellectual elite&quot; if you like that has not even tried to be inclusive of the greater Australian blogosphere, and in this regard it&#039;s disappointing. The true characters and champions of the Australian blogosphere don&#039;t even get a look in. The price is also a bit steep, I know, from past experience, that if you lower your expectations on venue you can deliver better value for money, I mean seriously, The Cruising Yacht Club of Australia, not exactly basic venue is it. When I was still a Sydney-sider I assisted in organising a conference back in the 90&#039;s which attracted people from all over Australia, and a number of international visitors as well, and we hosted in very well at a reasonable cost at the University of Sydney. Anyhow, I&#039;m sure the participants will enjoy their Moet as they listen to &quot;a selection of most highly respected and knowledgeable individuals in the world&quot;....pa-lease, good bloggers but hardly inclusive nor representative either. Lets hope someone shows an interest in running a BloggerCon so we can all get together and have an open, inclusive time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your sentiments, Blog Talk seems pitched at an &#8220;intellectual elite&#8221; if you like that has not even tried to be inclusive of the greater Australian blogosphere, and in this regard it&#8217;s disappointing. The true characters and champions of the Australian blogosphere don&#8217;t even get a look in. The price is also a bit steep, I know, from past experience, that if you lower your expectations on venue you can deliver better value for money, I mean seriously, The Cruising Yacht Club of Australia, not exactly basic venue is it. When I was still a Sydney-sider I assisted in organising a conference back in the 90&#8217;s which attracted people from all over Australia, and a number of international visitors as well, and we hosted in very well at a reasonable cost at the University of Sydney. Anyhow, I&#8217;m sure the participants will enjoy their Moet as they listen to &#8220;a selection of most highly respected and knowledgeable individuals in the world&#8221;&#8230;.pa-lease, good bloggers but hardly inclusive nor representative either. Lets hope someone shows an interest in running a BloggerCon so we can all get together and have an open, inclusive time.</p>
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